2024 UEFA European Football Championship
Discussion
Supersam83 said:
With talented players like Bellingham, Foden, Rice, Walker, Maddison, Mainoo, Watkins, Kane, Palmer, Rashford, Saka, etc
Surely we now should be able to win it?
I can only see France and Germany as the other teams that could give a challenge...
I genuinely can't tell, is this sarcasm?Surely we now should be able to win it?
I can only see France and Germany as the other teams that could give a challenge...
Mainoo has one season of PL football under his belt.
Rashford - 13 goal contributions in 40 games this season. Abysmal for an attacking player in a top side.
Maddison - should have kicked on after putting in 19 goal contributions in 30 games in a Leicester side that was relegated, but has returned less this season in a Spurs side that have spent the majority of the season in the top 4.
Kane - lacks the mentality to actually win anything. Just a goalscorer with nothing else to his game.
Watkins/Palmer - had fantastic seasons but untested at International tournament level.
From your list that leaves Bellingham, Foden, Rice, Walker, Saka. Talented bunch, but not enough to win the Euros in my opinion.
Quote me on this as I'll happily eat humble pie if we pull it off!
resolve10 said:
I genuinely can't tell, is this sarcasm?
Mainoo has one season of PL football under his belt.
Rashford - 13 goal contributions in 40 games this season. Abysmal for an attacking player in a top side.
Maddison - should have kicked on after putting in 19 goal contributions in 30 games in a Leicester side that was relegated, but has returned less this season in a Spurs side that have spent the majority of the season in the top 4.
Kane - lacks the mentality to actually win anything. Just a goalscorer with nothing else to his game.
Watkins/Palmer - had fantastic seasons but untested at International tournament level.
From your list that leaves Bellingham, Foden, Rice, Walker, Saka. Talented bunch, but not enough to win the Euros in my opinion.
Quote me on this as I'll happily eat humble pie if we pull it off!
All valid points.Mainoo has one season of PL football under his belt.
Rashford - 13 goal contributions in 40 games this season. Abysmal for an attacking player in a top side.
Maddison - should have kicked on after putting in 19 goal contributions in 30 games in a Leicester side that was relegated, but has returned less this season in a Spurs side that have spent the majority of the season in the top 4.
Kane - lacks the mentality to actually win anything. Just a goalscorer with nothing else to his game.
Watkins/Palmer - had fantastic seasons but untested at International tournament level.
From your list that leaves Bellingham, Foden, Rice, Walker, Saka. Talented bunch, but not enough to win the Euros in my opinion.
Quote me on this as I'll happily eat humble pie if we pull it off!
I still think we still nudge it with the quality we have in our squad and options.
This is also based on if Southgate wants to actually win the tournament or just have another run to the Finals, semis, etc
Who is your tip for the win?
resolve10 said:
Kane - lacks the mentality to actually win anything. Just a goalscorer with nothing else to his game.
What a load of crap. He's spent one season of his entire career with a team capable of winning anything, and they've missed out. Just a goalscorer.....that's his actual f
king job. Ask Son if he's got anything else to his game, I think about 90% of Son's goals were assists from Kane. You talk about his mentality as if you're his councillor or something. You don't know him from a dog in the street.
Supersam83 said:
All valid points.
I still think we still nudge it with the quality we have in our squad and options.
This is also based on if Southgate wants to actually win the tournament or just have another run to the Finals, semis, etc
Who is your tip for the win?
I think you called it already, there isn't one standout team that looks nailed on to win but France & Germany look strongest. Of course there's nothing to say the best team will win, there's nearly always a surprise team that take out some of the favourites and have a run to the latter sages. Iceland & Wales spring to mind from recent times, which sometimes denies us of seeing the two 'best' teams face each other in the final.I still think we still nudge it with the quality we have in our squad and options.
This is also based on if Southgate wants to actually win the tournament or just have another run to the Finals, semis, etc
Who is your tip for the win?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
What a load of crap. He's spent one season of his entire career with a team capable of winning anything, and they've missed out. Just a goalscorer.....that's his actual fking job. Ask Son if he's got anything else to his game, I think about 90% of Son's goals were assists from Kane.
You talk about his mentality as if you're his councillor or something. You don't know him from a dog in the street.
You're telling me the Spurs team of the last decade with some of the players they've had at their disposal weren't capable of winning anything? Not even a Cup?king job. Ask Son if he's got anything else to his game, I think about 90% of Son's goals were assists from Kane. You talk about his mentality as if you're his councillor or something. You don't know him from a dog in the street.
He just come across as looking vacant and defeated to me, I don't see any hunger in him. I also feel like he's more interested in personal goals than team goals. All just my opinion, no need to defend him so fiercely.
England are strong in midfield and up front, but a bit unsettled at the back to be favourites I'd say.
The big question marks are who partners Rice if, as expected Gareth picks another similar type of player to Kalvin Phillips (I'm guessing he won't be in the First XI!) and who the back four will be given that Shaw is currently injured and has been been nearly all season, Stones has only started 12 league matches for Man City and only once in the last 10 games, Maguire is injured and to many observers not good enough either. Walker is the only certainty.
Chilwell (9 PL starts), James (5 PL starts), Gomez (17 starts), Guehi (just back from long-term injury), Dunk and Konsa seem to be the next in line and that is a very inexperienced bunch.
The big question marks are who partners Rice if, as expected Gareth picks another similar type of player to Kalvin Phillips (I'm guessing he won't be in the First XI!) and who the back four will be given that Shaw is currently injured and has been been nearly all season, Stones has only started 12 league matches for Man City and only once in the last 10 games, Maguire is injured and to many observers not good enough either. Walker is the only certainty.
Chilwell (9 PL starts), James (5 PL starts), Gomez (17 starts), Guehi (just back from long-term injury), Dunk and Konsa seem to be the next in line and that is a very inexperienced bunch.
CivicDuties said:
The group draw is a bit weird, Groups E and F are far weaker than the others. There's a group with Spain, Italy and Croatia FFS.
The only thing that's certain though is that Scotland won't advance (I'm a Scotland fan, been witnessing it since 1974).
I read this post before checking the username and knew it would be you me old Caledonian chum! The only thing that's certain though is that Scotland won't advance (I'm a Scotland fan, been witnessing it since 1974).
Radec said:
We've got the talent going forward to win it but still defensively suspect and question marks on whether GS is tactically good enough to win it.
I can't see past France winning it myself as they have actual quality options all over the pitch compared to the rest.
Here's hoping though.
Agreed. In attacking positions, I'm confident that Saka, Foden, Kane (no winning mentality? Nonsense!), and Palmer are as good as it gets in this tournament. Rice is good and Bellingham is a huge talent. So is Trent, but where does he fit in? In a squad of 26, there's room for Rashford and if he can hit form he's a really good player.I can't see past France winning it myself as they have actual quality options all over the pitch compared to the rest.
Here's hoping though.
However, I'm worried about our defence. Walker and Stones are good enough but after those two I'm not sure. Maguire (if fit) is a liability IMO and we don't have a left back who's fit, in form and has played regularly. Chilwell doesn't impress me. Rico Lewis, perhaps?
Then there's Safegate himself. Has he actually got the ability to change tactics, make bold substitutions or alter formation? Hmm, we'll see.
Really looking forward to it anyway.
I think the England front 6 pick themselves (Scotsman here)-
For me this is a no-brainer-
Kane up top
Saka right
Gordon left
Foden behind Kane
Rice and Bellingham in the middle
Curious to see what Southgate does, probably starts Henderson.
I didn't think Gordon would be a starter but after the last few months I don't think you have a better left winger on current form.
For me this is a no-brainer-
Kane up top
Saka right
Gordon left
Foden behind Kane
Rice and Bellingham in the middle
Curious to see what Southgate does, probably starts Henderson.
I didn't think Gordon would be a starter but after the last few months I don't think you have a better left winger on current form.
Patrick Bateman said:
I think the England front 6 pick themselves (Scotsman here)-
For me this is a no-brainer-
Kane up top
Saka right
Gordon left
Foden behind Kane
Rice and Bellingham in the middle
Curious to see what Southgate does, probably starts Henderson.
I didn't think Gordon would be a starter but after the last few months I don't think you have a better left winger on current form.
Got to go with Cole Palmer over Anthony Gordon. Agree with the rest.For me this is a no-brainer-
Kane up top
Saka right
Gordon left
Foden behind Kane
Rice and Bellingham in the middle
Curious to see what Southgate does, probably starts Henderson.
I didn't think Gordon would be a starter but after the last few months I don't think you have a better left winger on current form.
resolve10 said:
Supersam83 said:
With talented players like Bellingham, Foden, Rice, Walker, Maddison, Mainoo, Watkins, Kane, Palmer, Rashford, Saka, etc
Surely we now should be able to win it?
I can only see France and Germany as the other teams that could give a challenge...
I genuinely can't tell, is this sarcasm?Surely we now should be able to win it?
I can only see France and Germany as the other teams that could give a challenge...
Mainoo has one season of PL football under his belt.
Rashford - 13 goal contributions in 40 games this season. Abysmal for an attacking player in a top side.
Maddison - should have kicked on after putting in 19 goal contributions in 30 games in a Leicester side that was relegated, but has returned less this season in a Spurs side that have spent the majority of the season in the top 4.
Kane - lacks the mentality to actually win anything. Just a goalscorer with nothing else to his game.
Watkins/Palmer - had fantastic seasons but untested at International tournament level.
From your list that leaves Bellingham, Foden, Rice, Walker, Saka. Talented bunch, but not enough to win the Euros in my opinion.
Quote me on this as I'll happily eat humble pie if we pull it off!
I'd rather take Sterling than Rashford.
All moot though with who's at the helm.
resolve10 said:
Patrick Bateman said:
I think the England front 6 pick themselves (Scotsman here)-
For me this is a no-brainer-
Kane up top
Saka right
Gordon left
Foden behind Kane
Rice and Bellingham in the middle
Curious to see what Southgate does, probably starts Henderson.
I didn't think Gordon would be a starter but after the last few months I don't think you have a better left winger on current form.
Got to go with Cole Palmer over Anthony Gordon. Agree with the rest.For me this is a no-brainer-
Kane up top
Saka right
Gordon left
Foden behind Kane
Rice and Bellingham in the middle
Curious to see what Southgate does, probably starts Henderson.
I didn't think Gordon would be a starter but after the last few months I don't think you have a better left winger on current form.
Most G and A in the PL this season in a very mediocre team. Amazed City sold him.
That front 6 is as good as anyone with some decent cover to boot, just a shame the back 5 won't be anywhere near that level.
Wonder if TAA will even make the squad? Probably u guess.
The query I'd have is does Palmer play left wing regularly?
I thought he'd been playing all season in the middle but I may be wrong.
In your shoes I wouldn't want to be shoe-horning in a brilliant player in the wrong position, i.e. a repeat of playing Scholes on the left. This was my thinking at Gordon on the left as he's had an excellent season and knows the position well.
I thought he'd been playing all season in the middle but I may be wrong.
In your shoes I wouldn't want to be shoe-horning in a brilliant player in the wrong position, i.e. a repeat of playing Scholes on the left. This was my thinking at Gordon on the left as he's had an excellent season and knows the position well.
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