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I watched Dopesick on Disney+ a while ago and it's a shocking insight into the pharmaceutical business in the US. Albeit the Sacklers took it to the extreme, it does go on all the time.
All of that stuff is illegal here, my friend when he was younger was a rep for Pfizer and he couldn't even give so much as a pencil away let alone take Doctors to 'conferences' in exotic places,
All of that stuff is illegal here, my friend when he was younger was a rep for Pfizer and he couldn't even give so much as a pencil away let alone take Doctors to 'conferences' in exotic places,
boxst said:
I watched Dopesick on Disney+ a while ago and it's a shocking insight into the pharmaceutical business in the US. Albeit the Sacklers took it to the extreme, it does go on all the time.
All of that stuff is illegal here, my friend when he was younger was a rep for Pfizer and he couldn't even give so much as a pencil away let alone take Doctors to 'conferences' in exotic places,
Of course it is..... UK may not do the kick backs, but certainly a racket, a mixture of the ease of chucking out happy pills and other ways of making it pay.All of that stuff is illegal here, my friend when he was younger was a rep for Pfizer and he couldn't even give so much as a pencil away let alone take Doctors to 'conferences' in exotic places,
Kamov said:
Of course it is..... UK may not do the kick backs, but certainly a racket, a mixture of the ease of chucking out happy pills and other ways of making it pay.
Yes, of course. But that's the stupidity of the NHS buyers as opposed to individual doctors. They have very little say in what they prescribe, and will always have to choose a generic if one is available or the NHS recommended one.boxst said:
Yes, of course. But that's the stupidity of the NHS buyers as opposed to individual doctors. They have very little say in what they prescribe, and will always have to choose a generic if one is available or the NHS recommended one.
From my experience doctors when faced with a person telling them the medication is having negative affects (we are talking the anti anxiety anti depression stuff here), is they always up the dosage, never reduce, text book stuff.I have bi polar and was put onto Seroxat in my early 20's and it was a total nightmare, its a long story so I'll spare you that, but I've not medicated for bi polar since I was about 24 odd, over 20 years ago and every time i get my yearly meet with the doctor they try to push some on me, when i had troubles at a previous workplace they tried to push some on me.
Anti anxiety and anti depression is all well and good in extreme cases, but just like with pain killers they saw a small market so now EVERYONE having minor maladies and tangible reasons for felling blue get pushed onto medications, happy pills...
No one ever questions why it is that stats show more people than ever are on anti depressant's anti anxiety meds, yet the rate of people being off work with 'mental health' is bigger than ever..... that makes no sense to me...
The media doesn't help by saying stuff like high energy bills makes you mentally ill.
Mental wellbeing and mental health/illness are totally different, and as i say to people i don't have bi polar because i didn't take enough walks in the park.
Bi polar isn't alien, its simply the extremes either way of the human condition.... which means vast swaths of people are being medicated for normal parts of the human condition whilst real mental illness is ignored largely.
I was diagnosed as bi polar because in serious mania i thought i was the second coming was highly erratic and angry because everyone around me was to slow in everything they did, i did dangerous things putting me and others at risk and would be generally a right s
t to people and never sleeping. (i was having a blast thought).Then i had periods of severe depression where i totally turned in on myself and though of suicide all the time and planned it out but never had the real energy to do it.
I was talking to someone the other day who was diagnosed bi polar because they went to the doctor as they were feeling blue because of job issues and the doctor asked if they had felt happy in the last 6 months, they said yes and were put on anti depressants with a bi polar diagnosis.
Now you can chose to believe that or not, but dopesick is exactly that....
People need to realise that being 'happy' all the time is f
king weird. Not sure what the obsession with it is. What even is happiness.I know as someone with bi polar what 'normal' low feels like, and now i don't panic, if there is a reason i can deal with it, if I'm happy same applies its only when they tip into unexplained extremes is it my bi polar.... why can't doctors tell people that?
To be fair its taken me years to get to this point and i may very well want to kill myself in 4 days. But I'm not ever going back onto medication as it made me worse...
Edited by Kamov on Friday 17th May 08:17
Edited by Kamov on Friday 17th May 08:18
That same pharmaceutical industry is the one that pushed the idea with governments everywhere that everyone including babies needed to be injected with Covid remedies. In reality the young didn’t need that, maybe the old benefited, but the pharma companies have made insane amounts of money from their messaging.
Their earnings and political clout are vast. The message was consistent everywhere thanks to their PR departments and kickbacks everywhere over exaggerating the covid risk. I have often wondered how big an impact covid would’ve had if it hadn’t been for social media and the pharmaceutical ‘advertising’.
Their earnings and political clout are vast. The message was consistent everywhere thanks to their PR departments and kickbacks everywhere over exaggerating the covid risk. I have often wondered how big an impact covid would’ve had if it hadn’t been for social media and the pharmaceutical ‘advertising’.
Douglas Quaid said:
That same pharmaceutical industry is the one that pushed the idea with governments everywhere that everyone including babies needed to be injected with Covid remedies. In reality the young didn’t need that, maybe the old benefited, but the pharma companies have made insane amounts of money from their messaging.
Their earnings and political clout are vast. The message was consistent everywhere thanks to their PR departments and kickbacks everywhere over exaggerating the covid risk. I have often wondered how big an impact covid would’ve had if it hadn’t been for social media and the pharmaceutical ‘advertising’.
Totally agree, but sadly they manufactured a culture divide, anyone questioning Covid jabs and pharma now is 'right wing trump supporter anti vaxxer', ridiculed by the clever left as 'stupid'.Their earnings and political clout are vast. The message was consistent everywhere thanks to their PR departments and kickbacks everywhere over exaggerating the covid risk. I have often wondered how big an impact covid would’ve had if it hadn’t been for social media and the pharmaceutical ‘advertising’.
There used to be a time when investigative journalists could question pharma, not so much now, I have to use Russell Brand who finds these investigations and simply reads them out, but by that point its 'Russell Brand' says...
Same with Electric cars and renewables, last week there were protests in Germany opposing Tesla expanding an already massive plant, destroying forrests and land for EV's.... but of course, anti climate change right wing Nazi if you don't want the world turned into a lithium mine...
And funny that the freedom of speech guru Elon silences these facts as best he can...
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