The 'Bladerunners' are right
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MB140 said:
I’m really going to laugh at all those that voted for khan or couldn’t be arsed to vote when he starts his pay per mile charging. My only worry is that all the other pointless mayors around the country don’t get the same idea
London ULEZ won’t bother me personally. I can’t stand London and have no reason to go there. But I can appreciate why some would choose to visit / work/ live there.
The one that he's on record as saying he won't be introducing? London ULEZ won’t bother me personally. I can’t stand London and have no reason to go there. But I can appreciate why some would choose to visit / work/ live there.
30 seconds of simple googling punctures that particular lie that Susan Hall was pushing.
LivLL said:
tangerine_sedge said:
The one that he's on record as saying he won't be introducing?
30 seconds of simple googling punctures that particular lie that Susan Hall was pushing.
You believe a career politician when they say they'll never do something! That's a first.30 seconds of simple googling punctures that particular lie that Susan Hall was pushing.
Multiple things, doesn't mean I have to believe everything a career politician says. He is a career politician, his law degree is well in the past decades ago.
Time and time again we're let down by Politicians, even decent human beings like Khan for many reasons. It makes it pretty hard to not be skeptical.
He has so many ideas and actions that a moderate, decent person could only ever agree with and his ambitions are generally noble if not sometimes misguided. They (politicians) all have flaws.
Personally I feel 8 years is long enough and a new candidate should be in place (party not important). We'll see, another 4 years to be proven wrong and I'm happy if I am.
Time and time again we're let down by Politicians, even decent human beings like Khan for many reasons. It makes it pretty hard to not be skeptical.
He has so many ideas and actions that a moderate, decent person could only ever agree with and his ambitions are generally noble if not sometimes misguided. They (politicians) all have flaws.
Personally I feel 8 years is long enough and a new candidate should be in place (party not important). We'll see, another 4 years to be proven wrong and I'm happy if I am.
Edited by LivLL on Saturday 4th May 20:18
MrJuice said:
LivLL said:
You believe a career politician when they say they'll never do something! That's a first.
He's not a career politician He had a very successful law practice before entering parliament
Councillor from 1994.
Practiced law until 2004.
Elected to Parliament 2005.
I think career politician is a fair comment.
Gareth79 said:
MB140 said:
I’m really going to laugh at all those that voted for khan or couldn’t be arsed to vote when he starts his pay per mile charging.
How is that going to work then? It certainly can't be implemented using the ULEZ cameras.Gareth79 said:
How is that going to work then? It certainly can't be implemented using the ULEZ cameras.
Not literally (as in knowing *exactly* how far someone has driven), but once the camera network is completed (which it still isn't...) there'll be enough of the damned things covering enough of London's road network such that any journey longer than a few miles at best will see you passing at least two cameras, and once that happens then they can work out what the minimum distance you *must* have driven is, and can charge accordingly.So no, it wouldn't be monitoring every mm of movement your vehicle makes, but it'd still be quite easy to play "join the dots" between each camera your vehicle is seen by that day, and calculate a reasonable approximation to your total journey distance. With suitable adjustments made to the per-mie charge based on the time of day you passed each camera, how many other vehicles were in the vicinity, and presumably also still an additional bonus payment for driving a filthy fume belching beast like a Euro 5 diesel.
And for anyone saying "but he's said clearly he won't do it", I refer the honourable commenters to his similar statement re expanding ULEZ into Outer London, something which he's now claiming he had to go back on because of newer information suggesting the previously acceptable levels of certain pollutants were no longer so acceptable, and therefore he simply HAD to change his mind.
So what happens when we see a similar reduction in acceptable levels at some point over the next 4 years? Because if anyone thinks he wouldn't break his promise and implement PPM if he thought that was the only answer, then you have far, FAR, more faith in the word of a consummate politician than most of us. Khan will do whatever Khan wants to do, and if that means doing something he said he wouldn't do, or getting one of his minions to persuade a research group to rewrite their findings until they align with what City Hall wants them to say, or dismissing the outcome of a formal consultation by implying those who opposed him were just a bunch of organised naysayers rather than genuine respondents (whilst being only too happy to retain responses favourable to him despite those being similarly organised) then we know from experience that he'll do it.
As poor a candidate Hall was, for many of us in outer London she'd have made a far far better mayor than Khan has ever been, or will ever be, for us. Because he simply doesn't care about outer London, he doesn't understand how different it is, what our issues are, what we need from City Hall.
twister said:
Gareth79 said:
How is that going to work then? It certainly can't be implemented using the ULEZ cameras.
Not literally (as in knowing *exactly* how far someone has driven), but once the camera network is completed (which it still isn't...) there'll be enough of the damned things covering enough of London's road network such that any journey longer than a few miles at best will see you passing at least two cameras, and once that happens then they can work out what the minimum distance you *must* have driven is, and can charge accordingly.So no, it wouldn't be monitoring every mm of movement your vehicle makes, but it'd still be quite easy to play "join the dots" between each camera your vehicle is seen by that day, and calculate a reasonable approximation to your total journey distance. With suitable adjustments made to the per-mie charge based on the time of day you passed each camera, how many other vehicles were in the vicinity, and presumably also still an additional bonus payment for driving a filthy fume belching beast like a Euro 5 diesel.
And for anyone saying "but he's said clearly he won't do it", I refer the honourable commenters to his similar statement re expanding ULEZ into Outer London, something which he's now claiming he had to go back on because of newer information suggesting the previously acceptable levels of certain pollutants were no longer so acceptable, and therefore he simply HAD to change his mind.
So what happens when we see a similar reduction in acceptable levels at some point over the next 4 years? Because if anyone thinks he wouldn't break his promise and implement PPM if he thought that was the only answer, then you have far, FAR, more faith in the word of a consummate politician than most of us. Khan will do whatever Khan wants to do, and if that means doing something he said he wouldn't do, or getting one of his minions to persuade a research group to rewrite their findings until they align with what City Hall wants them to say, or dismissing the outcome of a formal consultation by implying those who opposed him were just a bunch of organised naysayers rather than genuine respondents (whilst being only too happy to retain responses favourable to him despite those being similarly organised) then we know from experience that he'll do it.
As poor a candidate Hall was, for many of us in outer London she'd have made a far far better mayor than Khan has ever been, or will ever be, for us. Because he simply doesn't care about outer London, he doesn't understand how different it is, what our issues are, what we need from City Hall.
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