Potholes - Porsche Driver Killed

Potholes - Porsche Driver Killed

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Forester1965

1,871 posts

5 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Donbot said:
Yeah, why not. You only bunch up back together at junctions etc.
Even though your stopping distance is <75m?

Donbot

3,994 posts

129 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Yeah, why not. You only bunch up back together at junctions etc.
Even though your stopping distance is <75m?
You have thinking distance as well. If potholes are going to cause you to crash it's best to play it safe.

Nomme de Plum

4,706 posts

18 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
What's wrong with leaving a four second gap?
100m gap at 60mph?
At 60mph cars should not be overtaking so leaving a large gap would seem perfectly reasonable. Whether it needs to be 100M is debatable but leaving a gap allows greater thinking and reacting time.

This road, which is relatively local to me and I have travelled from time to time will have seen much traffic with the pothole un-repaired. Yet seemingly other road users managed to avoid it.

Whataguy

872 posts

82 months

Wednesday 8th May
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bigothunter said:
Lower speed limits must be on the cards for pothole infested roads. 40 limit to replace NSL?

Banning overtaking must be high priority. Don't want to risk hitting potholes when roaring past.

Badly potholed roads could be closed apart from access to residents and service vehicles. 20 limit would suit.

Anything rather than sort out the bloody roads and make them fit for purpose, as we lurch towards 3rd world status banghead
It's already happened near me.

There are several roads nearby that used to be dual carriageway, rather than fix issues they developed with camber they just closed one lane with permanent white road markings and made them single carriageway.

Plenty of roads here that I drove for decades when they were national limits are now 40mph, instead of maintaining them properly and clearing sight lines for corners and maintaining the surface quality they just drop the limit.

Nomme de Plum

4,706 posts

18 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Yeah, why not. You only bunch up back together at junctions etc.
Even though your stopping distance is <75m?
Thinking and stopping distance at 60MPH is about 73m assuming a well maintained braking system, good tyres, and an attentive driver.

Forester1965

1,871 posts

5 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Donbot said:
Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Yeah, why not. You only bunch up back together at junctions etc.
Even though your stopping distance is <75m?
You have thinking distance as well. If potholes are going to cause you to crash it's best to play it safe.
It includes thinking distance.

Being 100m behind means you won't be doing any overtaking and very poor use of road space. A travelling queue of 11 cars would be more than 1km long. Fancy waiting at a junction whilst that goes past?

Donbot

3,994 posts

129 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Yeah, why not. You only bunch up back together at junctions etc.
Even though your stopping distance is <75m?
You have thinking distance as well. If potholes are going to cause you to crash it's best to play it safe.
It includes thinking distance.

Being 100m behind means you won't be doing any overtaking and very poor use of road space. A travelling queue of 11 cars would be more than 1km long. Fancy waiting at a junction whilst that goes past?
That's a too much traffic problem. If everyone is doing 60 there's no real need to overtake anyway.

Nomme de Plum

4,706 posts

18 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Forester1965 said:
It includes thinking distance.

Being 100m behind means you won't be doing any overtaking and very poor use of road space. A travelling queue of 11 cars would be more than 1km long. Fancy waiting at a junction whilst that goes past?
It would aid pulling out from junctions. A 4 second gap is more than enough time to pull out especially if going in the opposite direction to the traffic flow and if I was a driver in the queue of traffic easing off slightly I'd normally let someone out as normal courteous driving.


Nomme de Plum

4,706 posts

18 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Donbot said:
Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Yeah, why not. You only bunch up back together at junctions etc.
Even though your stopping distance is <75m?
You have thinking distance as well. If potholes are going to cause you to crash it's best to play it safe.
It includes thinking distance.

Being 100m behind means you won't be doing any overtaking and very poor use of road space. A travelling queue of 11 cars would be more than 1km long. Fancy waiting at a junction whilst that goes past?
That's a too much traffic problem. If everyone is doing 60 there's no real need to overtake anyway.
Especially when the limit is 60mph anyway.

Forester1965

1,871 posts

5 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Nomme de Plum said:
Donbot said:
Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
Yeah, why not. You only bunch up back together at junctions etc.
Even though your stopping distance is <75m?
You have thinking distance as well. If potholes are going to cause you to crash it's best to play it safe.
It includes thinking distance.

Being 100m behind means you won't be doing any overtaking and very poor use of road space. A travelling queue of 11 cars would be more than 1km long. Fancy waiting at a junction whilst that goes past?
That's a too much traffic problem. If everyone is doing 60 there's no real need to overtake anyway.
Especially when the limit is 60mph anyway.
Laters Captain Killjoys.

Donbot

3,994 posts

129 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Forester1965 said:
Laters Captain Killjoys.
Ok, try not not get killed.

Nomme de Plum

4,706 posts

18 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Donbot said:
Forester1965 said:
Laters Captain Killjoys.
Ok, try not not get killed.
Or more importantly injure/kill someone else.

mcpoot

800 posts

109 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Nomme de Plum said:
Forester1965 said:
Donbot said:
What's wrong with leaving a four second gap?
100m gap at 60mph?
At 60mph cars should not be overtaking so leaving a large gap would seem perfectly reasonable. Whether it needs to be 100M is debatable but leaving a gap allows greater thinking and reacting time.

This road, which is relatively local to me and I have travelled from time to time will have seen much traffic with the pothole un-repaired. Yet seemingly other road users managed to avoid it.
Did they? Where's your evidence that other road users have not hit that pothole? Or are you basing that claim or nothing more concrete than there has not been another serious accident?

Nomme de Plum

4,706 posts

18 months

Wednesday 8th May
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mcpoot said:
Did they? Where's your evidence that other road users have not hit that pothole? Or are you basing that claim or nothing more concrete than there has not been another serious accident?
It is quite hard to provide evidence of something that hasn't happened. Local news however has not reported any other accidents of any in this exact location. Exactly the sort of topic local news loves to report on.

There will be an inquest where the coroner will take all available evidence including that collated by the Police. No doubt had there been a plethora of other cars suffering damage by this pothole it will be provided by those drivers and or maybe their insurance companies as they may wish to get redress from the LA if at all possible.

Maybe it would be a good idea to wait until the inquest has occurred. Do you concur?


mcpoot

800 posts

109 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Nomme de Plum said:
It is quite hard to provide evidence of something that hasn't happened. Local news however has not reported any other accidents of any in this exact location. Exactly the sort of topic local news loves to report on.

There will be an inquest where the coroner will take all available evidence including that collated by the Police. No doubt had there been a plethora of other cars suffering damage by this pothole it will be provided by those drivers and or maybe their insurance companies as they may wish to get redress from the LA if at all possible.

Maybe it would be a good idea to wait until the inquest has occurred. Do you concur?
Yes, I completely concur but then I'm not the one coming out with statements like this.

Nomme de Plum said:
There is only one person responsible and unfortunately he has died.

Had the driver been travelling at an appropriate speed he would not have lost control and created so much damage. At least there were no other fatalities.

GKHOK2023

1 posts

1 month

Wednesday 8th May
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On pot hold in essex is so big that its literally 60cm wide and 40 cm deep and remains unfilled. I saw the local council guys repairing others around it but said it was too big to fill. pay by the mile S khan to the rescue !

bqf

2,233 posts

173 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Getragdogleg said:
I've noticed alright, it's mismanagement pure and simple.

Too busy acting like a business and less like a service provider.

Too busy buying dodgy solar farms for half a billion.
Oh No, it's all the Tories fault - not appalling financial mismanagement by an increasingly stupid and poorly educated class of civil servant, determined to spend their tax receipts on BLT+ theatre studies rather than filling in potholes

Donbot

3,994 posts

129 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Daily Mail has entered the chat.

bqf said:
Oh No, it's all the Tories fault - not appalling financial mismanagement by an increasingly stupid and poorly educated class of civil servant, determined to spend their tax receipts on BLT+ theatre studies rather than filling in potholes

thebraketester

14,327 posts

140 months

Wednesday 8th May
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GT9 said:
An alternative theory is that climate change is fking the roads up like everything else outdoors.
Not even going to start to suggest what's behind that though.
Is that’s serious post? Or whoosh?

Forester1965

1,871 posts

5 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Between those who can see through cars to those who can see a pothole from 4 miles despite being 3 feet off the ground and those who leave such a big distance they're in a different time zone to the car in front, the roads are in a pretty safe state.