RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | PH Review
Discussion
PistonTim said:
£786 net on 48 / 80,000 with Tusker salary sacrifice.
A Tesla model Y performance is £782 by comparison.
and the BMW ix40 is £720.
Considering the extra engineering and power hike it's not a bad deal compared to similar vehicles.
Or wait two years and pick up one for £35k. Less than the cost of the 48 month lease. A Tesla model Y performance is £782 by comparison.
and the BMW ix40 is £720.
Considering the extra engineering and power hike it's not a bad deal compared to similar vehicles.
J4CKO said:
Things evolve, but this isnt something I would say has much of a claim on the title at two and a bit tons, I dont think anything much over say 1300/1400 kilos (preferably less) can ever claim to be a full blooded hot hatch, would say also no more than 4 cylinders, is front wheel drive, has at least 120 bhp per ton and doesn't cost much more than the average UK yearly wage which is about £35,000 at the moment.
the battery in an EV weighs around 500kg whilst the powertrain (motor, transmission, inverter, power cables, etc) only saves around 100kg over an ICE powertrain so the only way to make a lightweight EV is to save a load of weight elsewhere.i suggest the only true EV hot hatch is the BMW i3S with its extensive aluminium and carbon fibre construction - meets your criteria with a kerb weight of 1300kg and 140hp per tonne. The quality of engineering in terms of battery management, etc was way ahead of some of the new EVs from the far east but it cost too much to make.
get one while relatively new ones are still available - i suspect the equivalent may never be repeated as it's much easier/cheaper to just make a heavy car and add more batteries.
ajap1979 said:
It has almost exactly the same bhp/ton as a G80 M3, or much more if you base it on the boosted power figure. I’m sure the M3 will handle better, but the entertainment aspect could be subjective. Oh, and the BMW is £17k more expensive.
I think Hyundai should be applauded for the efforts they have made to give this car some character, and make it entertaining to drive. Sure there are still compromises that some people (who will probably never drive one) will be unwilling to overlook, but you can’t say it isn’t progress.
M3 also a lard arse!…. Yeah if it’s only new option then fine in future if you want new car. For now way too many other better choices.I think Hyundai should be applauded for the efforts they have made to give this car some character, and make it entertaining to drive. Sure there are still compromises that some people (who will probably never drive one) will be unwilling to overlook, but you can’t say it isn’t progress.
I say this as an EV owner….. which I enjoy as a daily driver but not as weekend or track fun.
JAMSXR said:
PistonTim said:
£786 net on 48 / 80,000 with Tusker salary sacrifice.
A Tesla model Y performance is £782 by comparison.
and the BMW ix40 is £720.
Considering the extra engineering and power hike it's not a bad deal compared to similar vehicles.
Or wait two years and pick up one for £35k. Less than the cost of the 48 month lease. A Tesla model Y performance is £782 by comparison.
and the BMW ix40 is £720.
Considering the extra engineering and power hike it's not a bad deal compared to similar vehicles.
ajap1979 said:
British Beef said:
Im really split with this car, would it be a good replacement for my Yaris GR?
As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
At least you’re carrying on PH tradition of comparing every new car to the GR Yaris, regardless of how irrelevant the comparison is. As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
British Beef said:
Im really split with this car, would it be a good replacement for my Yaris GR?
As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
You can fit your Yaris in the boot of this thing and take it with you to trackdays? As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
For those with a need to not be anywhere in a hurry (when not on track) with the usual ev "well I stop for a coffee, brunch, mega #2) and an ability to see 20k disappearing off the residual in a year.
Fair play to Hyundai for creating this very interesting vehicle.....BUT, it's a nigh on £70k Hyundai. A incredibly expensive Hyundai in a vehicle category that is getting absolutely torn apart on residuals for even prestige brand EVs.
Fair play to Hyundai for creating this very interesting vehicle.....BUT, it's a nigh on £70k Hyundai. A incredibly expensive Hyundai in a vehicle category that is getting absolutely torn apart on residuals for even prestige brand EVs.
Oz83 said:
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Well 600bhp is only half the story. The other half is that it weighs as much as the Death Star. It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Without the overboost (so 609bhp) the Hyundai has a very similar power to weight (272 vs 267) as a Model Y Performance, which is £5k less.
For practicality, charging network and range, the Tesla beats it. Also, can the Hyundai be fitted with a towbar?
blueg33 said:
Oz83 said:
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Well 600bhp is only half the story. The other half is that it weighs as much as the Death Star. It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Without the overboost (so 609bhp) the Hyundai has a very similar power to weight (272 vs 267) as a Model Y Performance, which is £5k less.
For practicality, charging network and range, the Tesla beats it. Also, can the Hyundai be fitted with a towbar?
padrc66 said:
J4CKO said:
Things evolve, but this isnt something I would say has much of a claim on the title at two and a bit tons, I dont think anything much over say 1300/1400 kilos (preferably less) can ever claim to be a full blooded hot hatch, would say also no more than 4 cylinders, is front wheel drive, has at least 120 bhp per ton and doesn't cost much more than the average UK yearly wage which is about £35,000 at the moment.
the battery in an EV weighs around 500kg whilst the powertrain (motor, transmission, inverter, power cables, etc) only saves around 100kg over an ICE powertrain so the only way to make a lightweight EV is to save a load of weight elsewhere.i suggest the only true EV hot hatch is the BMW i3S with its extensive aluminium and carbon fibre construction - meets your criteria with a kerb weight of 1300kg and 140hp per tonne. The quality of engineering in terms of battery management, etc was way ahead of some of the new EVs from the far east but it cost too much to make.
get one while relatively new ones are still available - i suspect the equivalent may never be repeated as it's much easier/cheaper to just make a heavy car and add more batteries.
Plus the battery weight should have the caveat "currently" added, I cant see that being a constant forever, someone, somewhere will patent tech that will mean lighter batteries are available, feels like we have been saying that for a fair while now, and things do improve but they have all been incremental rather than transformational so far.
Plus, its a virtuous circle if you drop the battery weight you can use a slightly smaller, less powerful motor as you havent as much weight, you can have smaller brakes etc etc, I see no reason why, as things move on an EV couldnt match or be lighter than its ICE equivalent.
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Happy to be corrected my calculations put the bhp per tonne figure for this car at just under 250bhp / per tonne which is nowhere near as crazy as the headline 600hp figure sounds.It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
I appreciate the torque will be mad and it will be a very quick car nonetheless.
ajap1979 said:
blueg33 said:
Oz83 said:
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Well 600bhp is only half the story. The other half is that it weighs as much as the Death Star. It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Without the overboost (so 609bhp) the Hyundai has a very similar power to weight (272 vs 267) as a Model Y Performance, which is £5k less.
For practicality, charging network and range, the Tesla beats it. Also, can the Hyundai be fitted with a towbar?
CountyAFC said:
Neill-l9qpf said:
I'm not quite sure who this is aimed at?
Plenty of people on here judging by the comments. Barely a dissenting voice.I think it is great, fantastic all that Hyundai have tried to do with this car.....except a theoretical 278 mile range.
simundo777 said:
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Happy to be corrected my calculations put the bhp per tonne figure for this car at just under 250bhp / per tonne which is nowhere near as crazy as the headline 600hp figure sounds.It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
I appreciate the torque will be mad and it will be a very quick car nonetheless.
simundo777 said:
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Happy to be corrected my calculations put the bhp per tonne figure for this car at just under 250bhp / per tonne which is nowhere near as crazy as the headline 600hp figure sounds.It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
I appreciate the torque will be mad and it will be a very quick car nonetheless.
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