RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | PH Review
Discussion
blueg33 said:
Oz83 said:
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Well 600bhp is only half the story. The other half is that it weighs as much as the Death Star. It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Without the overboost (so 609bhp) the Hyundai has a very similar power to weight (272 vs 267) as a Model Y Performance, which is £5k less.
For practicality, charging network and range, the Tesla beats it. Also, can the Hyundai be fitted with a towbar?
Wab1974uk said:
Car tax to rise with inflation on ICE cars to encourage people into EV's.
Meanwhile, here's a £65,000 EV !
So there's plenty of over £65K ICEs on the market.Meanwhile, here's a £65,000 EV !
If you can't afford £65K look for something within your means.
Whilst the pool of used EVs is quite small in comparison to the 5.4M used cars traded annually that pool will grow and there's plenty of stuff under £20K or £15K.
Oz83 said:
blueg33 said:
Oz83 said:
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Well 600bhp is only half the story. The other half is that it weighs as much as the Death Star. It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Without the overboost (so 609bhp) the Hyundai has a very similar power to weight (272 vs 267) as a Model Y Performance, which is £5k less.
For practicality, charging network and range, the Tesla beats it. Also, can the Hyundai be fitted with a towbar?
Further, if its a 'family EV', why not a regular Ioniq 5?
Dingu said:
Augustus Windsock said:
I was wondering the same, and also
“building power up to an 8,000rpm redline..”
So, you want us to have an EV that tries to confuse our monkey brain that we are in an ICE vehicle because otherwise, short of acceleration, the experience sorta crap then…?
I can’t answer this for myself as I don’t own and never will own an EV: if I had my way I’d have an old 7.0 Cobra or similar and create my own hole in the ozone layer just to annoy Theta Gruntburger.
Like most people you probably can’t afford either so it’s probably a moot point. “building power up to an 8,000rpm redline..”
So, you want us to have an EV that tries to confuse our monkey brain that we are in an ICE vehicle because otherwise, short of acceleration, the experience sorta crap then…?
I can’t answer this for myself as I don’t own and never will own an EV: if I had my way I’d have an old 7.0 Cobra or similar and create my own hole in the ozone layer just to annoy Theta Gruntburger.
Gears are a compromise generally tbh, you only like them because you are used to it.
ajap1979 said:
Neill-l9qpf said:
It's an impressive feat, but I'm not quite sure who this is aimed at?
It's a bit big, heavy and far too expensive to tempt anyone out of a ICE hot hatch.
I don't think it's grown up enough to tempt anyone out of a German performance EV (Taycan , i4 etc)
Meanwhile, the EV crowd will probably ignore it because the normal Ioniq5 has more than enough performance while being 50% cheaper.
I suppose you could ask the same about the Kia EV6 GT, Polestar 2 Performance, BMW i4 M50, and Tesla Model 3 Performance. They’re all around the same price and people seem to buy/rent/whatever them. It's a bit big, heavy and far too expensive to tempt anyone out of a ICE hot hatch.
I don't think it's grown up enough to tempt anyone out of a German performance EV (Taycan , i4 etc)
Meanwhile, the EV crowd will probably ignore it because the normal Ioniq5 has more than enough performance while being 50% cheaper.
Anti-EV fraternity after seeing the 5 N: "Yes, but who is going to want a driver-orientated performance EV"
J4CKO said:
ajap1979 said:
British Beef said:
Im really split with this car, would it be a good replacement for my Yaris GR?
As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
At least you’re carrying on PH tradition of comparing every new car to the GR Yaris, regardless of how irrelevant the comparison is. As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
Is interesting as to whether these big, heavy, very powerful EVs will become a problem as to be honest not really seen any EV's being driven very quickly as I think most are trying to preserve range.
Think the problems will come when they migrate down, or become attractive to the usual types who blast between lights in a sketchy looking cat S RS3, but are they bothered as it doesnt make a load of noise to announce their awesomeness ?
If you buy one of these through your company it is quite tax effective, although BIK for electric cars going up by 1% every year until 2028, means that in 4 years BIC for one of these will be £3250. Tax man will always get his cut!!!
padrc66 said:
J4CKO said:
Things evolve, but this isnt something I would say has much of a claim on the title at two and a bit tons, I dont think anything much over say 1300/1400 kilos (preferably less) can ever claim to be a full blooded hot hatch, would say also no more than 4 cylinders, is front wheel drive, has at least 120 bhp per ton and doesn't cost much more than the average UK yearly wage which is about £35,000 at the moment.
the battery in an EV weighs around 500kg whilst the powertrain (motor, transmission, inverter, power cables, etc) only saves around 100kg over an ICE powertrain so the only way to make a lightweight EV is to save a load of weight elsewhere.i suggest the only true EV hot hatch is the BMW i3S with its extensive aluminium and carbon fibre construction - meets your criteria with a kerb weight of 1300kg and 140hp per tonne. The quality of engineering in terms of battery management, etc was way ahead of some of the new EVs from the far east but it cost too much to make.
get one while relatively new ones are still available - i suspect the equivalent may never be repeated as it's much easier/cheaper to just make a heavy car and add more batteries.
I hate everything about the Ioniq 5. It's far too big, heavy, complicated etc for real life on actual roads. Too many raw materials processed & used per car - it's not saving any of the environment. If Hyundai or anyone else would like to make a similar thing but scaled down to something like 1200kg, 250 bhp and just a small number of comprehensible modes, I'll get interested.
Julian Scott said:
How much should this 2024 600bhp sizeable car cost in your opinion?
Yes! People complaining about the cost of cars just need to wake up, do some research and move on.
-> A new base spec petrol Ford Fiesta that does 0-60 in 15 seconds is £20k
-> A new petrol Skoda Kodiak with a couple of options is £55k
So a large, very powerful, high spec EV is no longer going to cost ~£30k, like it did in the early 2000's.
Since 2022 car prices have inflated - Where have people been for the last 2 years !!
Edited by SDK on Thursday 21st March 17:05
Julian Scott said:
Anti-EV fraternity for years: "EVs are dull. White goods/milk float/zero driver interest"
Anti-EV fraternity after seeing the 5 N: "Yes, but who is going to want a driver-orientated performance EV"
Anti-EV fraternity after seeing the 5 N: "Yes, but who is going to want a driver-orientated performance EV"
I should add that in 40 years of driving I have enjoyed 4, 5, 6 cylinder ICE engines, turbos, superchargers. Engine in the front. Engine in the rear, engine in the middle. Air cooled, water cooled. I have had a fun time and enjoyed their different characters. Did I want an electric car? No. But legislation is forcing the hand of manufacturers and I applaud Hyundai for looking to inject fun and for getting me interested enough to want to try it. The pace of change in the technology is incredible and as others have said, and I’m sure it won’t be that long before size and weight starts to tumble should the market demand. Edited by Sion111R on Thursday 21st March 18:56
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