Clarkson’s Farm
Discussion
CrgT16 said:
He didn’t follow correct procedure as was not legal but your attitude and that of the villagers sounds very much like nimbyism.
I live 150 miles away, how can I be a Nimby?...and what's wrong with being a Nimby? The whole point in a planning process is to protected land and make sure development occurs where 'we' want it. If it's not right to want to protect land if it's near you then why have a planning process. Just let everyone do what they want with their own land.
I feel we also need reminding that without the planning issues 1/3 of the material for Clarkson's farm wouldn't exist. All the drama for the Restaurant wouldn't have been there. Nor would the cool development of a tiny old space as a restaurant. Clarksons farm needs these planning denials. It's a huge source of material for the show. They aren't putting these applications in thinking "we hope this works flawlessly" they're thinking "Good, they'll never grant this, it'll be box office."
Anyway, I shall be watching 3:2 in an hour or so and I and my kids will be booing the planners like a panto villain. It will be great. That's the point, it's not a serious critique of the NPPF.
gregs656 said:
I'm not enjoying this season as much as the previous two.
Just feels more contrived and less about the farm.
I thought the first was best. It answered so many questions I had about farming and the characters were great. I thought the second was slightly less good.Just feels more contrived and less about the farm.
Based on the one episode of 3 I've seen it will be contrived but in quite a clever amusing way. Either way it (and Death in Paradise) are the best family viewing there is. My kids love it and it's totally watchable for adults.
Sway said:
Wasn't the whole point (that Charlie would be very familiar with) that the restaurant and track, etc. specifically shouldn't need planning as allowed under permitted development?
I think the track wasn't, but the Restaurant was. But who knows what other catering rules were broken. (No on site bog in a restaurant sounds like a deal breaker to me, you don't want the chef pissing against the back wall and not washing his hands.)Seems academic to me - the Restaurant plot line had run its course. Not sure there was much more television to be made from that so why bother making any required changes?
Just watched 3:2, absolutely superb. l
Loved it. As good as anything before. One little snippet that got mentioned was the place is in an AONB. I don't see how anyone can complain in any way at all about *any* restriction in an AONB. It's like moving into a listed building and complaining you can't have plastic windows.
I think I've done enough planning now.
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 6th May 19:14
BikeBikeBIke said:
Sway said:
Wasn't the whole point (that Charlie would be very familiar with) that the restaurant and track, etc. specifically shouldn't need planning as allowed under permitted development?
I think the track wasn't, but the Restaurant was. But who knows what other catering rules were broken. (No on site bog in a restaurant sounds like a deal breaker to me, you don't want the chef pissing against the back wall and not washing his hands.)Seems academic to me - the Restaurant plot line had run its course. Not sure there was much more television to be made from that so why bother making any required changes?
Just watched 3:2, absolutely superb. l
Loved it. As good as anything before. One little snippet that got mentioned was the place is in an AONB. I don't see how anyone can complain in any way at all about *any* restriction in an AONB. It's like moving into a listed building and complaining you can't have plastic windows.
I think I've done enough planning now.
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 6th May 19:14
48k said:
Echo the above. Just watched the first 4. Enjoyable, but particularly with ep 4 I'm surprised at the vets.
They seemed a bit difficult to get hold of, and surprised they didn't scan Baroness to see what was going on. It's the sort of thing my vet would do or at least offer.
Ultimately a farm animal.. Would a farmer spend on a scan? They seemed a bit difficult to get hold of, and surprised they didn't scan Baroness to see what was going on. It's the sort of thing my vet would do or at least offer.
surveyor said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Sway said:
Wasn't the whole point (that Charlie would be very familiar with) that the restaurant and track, etc. specifically shouldn't need planning as allowed under permitted development?
I think the track wasn't, but the Restaurant was. But who knows what other catering rules were broken. (No on site bog in a restaurant sounds like a deal breaker to me, you don't want the chef pissing against the back wall and not washing his hands.)Seems academic to me - the Restaurant plot line had run its course. Not sure there was much more television to be made from that so why bother making any required changes?
Just watched 3:2, absolutely superb. l
Loved it. As good as anything before. One little snippet that got mentioned was the place is in an AONB. I don't see how anyone can complain in any way at all about *any* restriction in an AONB. It's like moving into a listed building and complaining you can't have plastic windows.
I think I've done enough planning now.
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 6th May 19:14
Car park can get fairly full but if got level of visitors that JC got then parking on the main road would soon cause big issues.
Someone posted a link previously with an article from a councillor - part of his farm is in an AONB and part isn't - the article suggests he could have possibly had some of the stuff just by putting it on the other side of the road.
As others have said, I ma firmly in the camp that they love a bit of drama for TV - unfortunately it has real life consequences for the people at the council who have to put up with the abuse.
As others have said, I ma firmly in the camp that they love a bit of drama for TV - unfortunately it has real life consequences for the people at the council who have to put up with the abuse.
BikeBikeBIke said:
Really? How many other massive footfall merch shops for global TV shows with stars with 7.5 million twitter followers have been given planing permission in rural areas of the Cotswolds?
It should not matter who they are. The application of the rules should be consistent and sensible, and it hasn't been. It rarely is in my experience of planning.The people are coming whether they like it or not. Their goal should have been to prepare the area for it.
surveyor said:
An AONB does not mean no development. Policy should dictate what is and is not permitted, and it should be consistent in application.
...and because it was appealed to the planning inspector we know that it *was* consistent.What made you think it wasn't consistent? Are you aware of any other Amazon Prime blockbusters that have opened attractions with massive footfall in AONBs?
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 6th May 20:12
BikeBikeBIke said:
surveyor said:
An AONB does not mean no development. Policy should dictate what is and is not permitted, and it should be consistent in application.
...and because it was appealed to the planning inspector we know that it *was* consistent.What made you think it wasn't consistent? Are you aware of any other Amazon Prime blockbusters that have opened attractions with massive footfall in AONBs?
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 6th May 20:12
Frankly planning is a game and my experience of how policy is applied in the last 2 years means I am not surprised by anything local planers will do.
But back to where we were. What they did with the restaurant was low level development that sympathetically fitted in with the environment. This clearly had a draw due to JC, but even a 'normal' farm might be able to do something like this. It's certainly not the same as getting a resi consent over several fields
The government wants farmers to diversify. Their land tends at least to be green belt. Policy needs to change if they want them to diversify.
surveyor said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
surveyor said:
An AONB does not mean no development. Policy should dictate what is and is not permitted, and it should be consistent in application.
...and because it was appealed to the planning inspector we know that it *was* consistent.What made you think it wasn't consistent? Are you aware of any other Amazon Prime blockbusters that have opened attractions with massive footfall in AONBs?
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 6th May 20:12
Its story had come to a conclusion, I suspect it failed to meet some non planning related rules and there was no reason to keep it so they just didn't bother to rectify whatever needed sorting.
biggbn said:
Well, I think it's bloody brilliant TV. I'm no Clarkson fan boy, but this has been a breath of fresh air from s1 onwards.
+1I was long since bored with the May/Clarkson/Hammond "motoring" shows but this has utterly revived the 'Clarkson makes outrageous mistakes" format. I also thought S3 had nowhere to go and instead the first two have been superb.
Appeals to 8yos and 50yos alike and not many shows do that well. (If you don't mind your 8yo hearing the F bomb a few times.)
Perhaps the pig shagging was a little bit too educational but so be it.
k ups' get a bit repetitive but all in all it's still ticking the boxes, the section on regenerative farming looks to be really interesting.Just finished episode 4.
If clarkson really wanted a shop to see all the merch all he has to do is convert an existing farm building and the planner’s couldn’t do anything (this is from my wife who is a planner)
My suggestion is to rent / buy a shop on the local high street. The locals would soon get pissed off at not being able to park outside the newsagent to pick up their daily Mail due to the inevitable traffic. Local resistance to further development would magically disappear.
If clarkson really wanted a shop to see all the merch all he has to do is convert an existing farm building and the planner’s couldn’t do anything (this is from my wife who is a planner)
My suggestion is to rent / buy a shop on the local high street. The locals would soon get pissed off at not being able to park outside the newsagent to pick up their daily Mail due to the inevitable traffic. Local resistance to further development would magically disappear.
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