Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
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119 said:
Has Labour mooted the potential of free handouts again?
Free internet anyone?
As opposed to the free handouts the Tory's give to pensioners? Free internet anyone?
How on earth can it be sustainable to give pensioners a bigger pay rise each year than those who are working, no wonder tax take is the highest in 70 years, it's the most ludicrous and blatant bribe going. At least free internet helps growth, education etc, handouts to pensioners taken from working people certainly doesn't support growth or education!
I'm very upset at Rishi.
He has effectively thrown in the towel by stating the Tories may not win.
My friend Mrs Gutteridge was in tears on the phone to me earlier. As she said it looks like it will be Winter for the election. Why should I be out there knocking on doors and handing out leaflets in large print urging people to vote Tory.
I (well her obviously) could just stay home and watch Emmerdale and Corrie rather than being out in the cold. When I reminded her she couldn't afford to have the heating on anyway she said that wasn't the point and hung up.
He has effectively thrown in the towel by stating the Tories may not win.
My friend Mrs Gutteridge was in tears on the phone to me earlier. As she said it looks like it will be Winter for the election. Why should I be out there knocking on doors and handing out leaflets in large print urging people to vote Tory.
I (well her obviously) could just stay home and watch Emmerdale and Corrie rather than being out in the cold. When I reminded her she couldn't afford to have the heating on anyway she said that wasn't the point and hung up.
Condi said:
119 said:
Has Labour mooted the potential of free handouts again?
Free internet anyone?
As opposed to the free handouts the Tory's give to pensioners? Free internet anyone?
How on earth can it be sustainable to give pensioners a bigger pay rise each year than those who are working, no wonder tax take is the highest in 70 years, it's the most ludicrous and blatant bribe going. At least free internet helps growth, education etc, handouts to pensioners taken from working people certainly doesn't support growth or education!
Condi said:
119 said:
Has Labour mooted the potential of free handouts again?
Free internet anyone?
As opposed to the free handouts the Tory's give to pensioners? Free internet anyone?
How on earth can it be sustainable to give pensioners a bigger pay rise each year than those who are working, no wonder tax take is the highest in 70 years, it's the most ludicrous and blatant bribe going. At least free internet helps growth, education etc, handouts to pensioners taken from working people certainly doesn't support growth or education!
I hope Labour get in.
Starmer has already said he’s committed to the triple lock.
anonymoususer said:
I'm very upset at Rishi.
He has effectively thrown in the towel by stating the Tories may not win.
My friend Mrs Gutteridge was in tears on the phone to me earlier. As she said it looks like it will be Winter for the election. Why should I be out there knocking on doors and handing out leaflets in large print urging people to vote Tory.
I (well her obviously) could just stay home and watch Emmerdale and Corrie rather than being out in the cold. When I reminded her she couldn't afford to have the heating on anyway she said that wasn't the point and hung up.
One of your best!He has effectively thrown in the towel by stating the Tories may not win.
My friend Mrs Gutteridge was in tears on the phone to me earlier. As she said it looks like it will be Winter for the election. Why should I be out there knocking on doors and handing out leaflets in large print urging people to vote Tory.
I (well her obviously) could just stay home and watch Emmerdale and Corrie rather than being out in the cold. When I reminded her she couldn't afford to have the heating on anyway she said that wasn't the point and hung up.
W124 said:
I still think there is something in the idea that, in 2019, people voted against Corbyn, rather than pro-Boris.
And that the Conservatives, Cummings and Boris especially, misread this as a massive majority in favour of them and their brilliance. And, also maybe, Brexit at any cost.
The machine had gone into full force against Corbyn - and he scarcely helped himself. Corbyn was a disaster for Labour. Boris and Cummings were unable to separate this from the reasons why they ended up with an 80 seat majority. Egos.
They might have got away with it - had the pandemic not come along. Boris was so ill-suited to the responsibility. Worst person at the worst time.
Because of the pandemic - then Ukraine, Boris had to actually take responsibility and gouvern. And, crucially, to look like he could handle it. To lead. This he could not do. Coupled with the complexities of getting us out of the EU.
Too much for anybody really. But Boris Johnson? Of all people.
In 2019 Parliament had spent three years yelling at each other over Brexit and had done barely any actual governing. People voting for the whole 'Get Brexit Done' thing wasn't necessarily a rabid advocation of Brexit, it was a vote in favour of a government that would actually do SOMETHING, rather than just meet up for a bunfight every day for several years when there was stuff that needed doing. And yes I also think Boris go the wrong message from the public on the result. Sitting on our hands was seen as corrosive and potentially more damaging than actually going ahead, and that coupled well with Corbyn's unpopularity to create a perfect storm. And that the Conservatives, Cummings and Boris especially, misread this as a massive majority in favour of them and their brilliance. And, also maybe, Brexit at any cost.
The machine had gone into full force against Corbyn - and he scarcely helped himself. Corbyn was a disaster for Labour. Boris and Cummings were unable to separate this from the reasons why they ended up with an 80 seat majority. Egos.
They might have got away with it - had the pandemic not come along. Boris was so ill-suited to the responsibility. Worst person at the worst time.
Because of the pandemic - then Ukraine, Boris had to actually take responsibility and gouvern. And, crucially, to look like he could handle it. To lead. This he could not do. Coupled with the complexities of getting us out of the EU.
Too much for anybody really. But Boris Johnson? Of all people.
People voted for Boris because they were voting for the idea of someone doing some actual governing, and like you say, when he had to do that he was thoroughly found out.
James6112 said:
Condi said:
119 said:
Has Labour mooted the potential of free handouts again?
Free internet anyone?
As opposed to the free handouts the Tory's give to pensioners? Free internet anyone?
How on earth can it be sustainable to give pensioners a bigger pay rise each year than those who are working, no wonder tax take is the highest in 70 years, it's the most ludicrous and blatant bribe going. At least free internet helps growth, education etc, handouts to pensioners taken from working people certainly doesn't support growth or education!
I hope Labour get in.
Starmer has already said he’s committed to the triple lock.
Unreal said:
It's going to be great. Free money for everyone. Triple lock - yep, rising benefits bill - yep, big pay rises for the public sector- yep, Investment in the north - yep. Overseas aid - yep. Increased defence spending - yep. More diversity training - yep. More green projects - yep. More money for the NHS and the Police - yep. More money for councils - yep. Council tax revaluation - yep. No wonder people can't wait. I'm already thinking about what I'm going to spend all the extra money on. No-one will be paying any more tax apart from 200 non-doms and they're leaving. It will be an economic miracle.
Vat on private school fees.
Gecko1978 said:
I agree I voted against corbyn who's policies were terrifying. I likely won't vote in the GE as is abstained in the locals too. I won't endorse labour but I can't vote Tory again untill they act like small c conservatives. Boris, Liz and Rishi all seem to have misunderstood what being conservative is. It's not boats and bashing labour. It's a vibrant economy high employment low tax. I don't think we can ever get that back
Of course people want low tax, but they also expect decent infrastructure, healthcare and services and utilities which function properly without trashing the environment or with sky high ticket prices. The 'party of low taxation' has achieved this in the past largely by selling off assets and allowing services to crumble. The impacts of this are increasingly obvious, with not much left to sell off and pretty much every utility and service in crisis.
People have had enough of it.
119 said:
S600BSB said:
Condi said:
The Daily Telegraph isn't representative of the voting electorate. The Tory's problem is that the members are becoming more marginalised and they're failing to attract new/younger members as might have happened in the past, so they're beholden to an ever smaller group of people who are ever more detached from the rest of the voters.
Well off 60 year olds in Surry will not win them an election, no matter how much they appease them.
Don’t mention age! You are spot on though. As I said in an earlier post, it is no surprise that young, educated, professional people have turned their backs on the Tories.Well off 60 year olds in Surry will not win them an election, no matter how much they appease them.
Free internet anyone?
biggbn said:
I can't see why this was/is a bad idea. It would be a huge leveller, particulalry for educational uses.
It wouldn't even really be that expensive. Renationalise BT (about £10.5bn upfront cost), then distribute 30Mb/s internet to everyone for free. You can upsell faster internet, TV packages, etc for those who want it to help pay for the service, but it would mean every business and every person has access to basic internet. As you say, for education and small business it would be a huge boost. b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: Reminds me of 2019 when Corbyn got his arse handed to him and a portion of his supporters were convinced the solution was to go further to the left.
It's a very odd form of denial of the clear and measurable reality of the situation.
I'm not sure being against the toning down or total repeal of that list dictates a shift to the right, it's the return of common sense. It's a very odd form of denial of the clear and measurable reality of the situation.
Condi said:
It wouldn't even really be that expensive. Renationalise BT (about £10.5bn upfront cost), then distribute 30Mb/s internet to everyone for free. You can upsell faster internet, TV packages, etc for those who want it to help pay for the service, but it would mean every business and every person has access to basic internet. As you say, for education and small business it would be a huge boost.
Virtually everyone does have access to basic internet if by that you mean they can sign up to a service that delivers a download speed of at least 30 mps. If we are talking of a minimum of 10 mps that is 99.7% of homes. Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
I'm not sure being against the toning down or total repeal of that list dictates a shift to the right, it's the return of common sense.
Ah 'common sense', that trope of the populist right. Usually means 'ill informed stuff that I agree with', doesn't it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_populism
JagLover said:
Virtually everyone does have access to basic internet if by that you mean they can sign up to a service that delivers a download speed of at least 30 mps. If we are talking of a minimum of 10 mps that is 99.7% of homes.
Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
The people who don't have internet by choice are likely to be the poorest, and as such their education and opportunities suffer compared with those who can afford it. Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
Basic free internet for everyone negates that at relatively low cost, although thinking about it, I'm pretty sure people on low incomes can get internet vouchers or similar which does allow them to get free internet. Would need to look to be sure, but it certainly happened during Covid.
Condi said:
Basic free internet for everyone negates that at relatively low cost, although thinking about it, I'm pretty sure people on low incomes can get internet vouchers or similar which does allow them to get free internet. Would need to look to be sure, but it certainly happened during Covid.
If you're in receipt of UC, your household is eligible for social tariffs for broadband and landline telephony: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-inter...turbobloke said:
Duh, nothing is 'free' as somebody has to pay up front. Taxpayers.
Typical big-government-will-provide nonsense.
Christ do you really have to trot this out. Everyone here is an adult and I'm pretty sure knows how things work. Providing it free of charge would be a great leveller and somewhat democratise the provision of information and education, something I'd happily pay a bit extra in my taxes for. Typical big-government-will-provide nonsense.
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