Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
Discussion
Condi said:
JagLover said:
Virtually everyone does have access to basic internet if by that you mean they can sign up to a service that delivers a download speed of at least 30 mps. If we are talking of a minimum of 10 mps that is 99.7% of homes.
Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
The people who don't have internet by choice are likely to be the poorest, and as such their education and opportunities suffer compared with those who can afford it. Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
Basic free internet for everyone negates that at relatively low cost, although thinking about it, I'm pretty sure people on low incomes can get internet vouchers or similar which does allow them to get free internet. Would need to look to be sure, but it certainly happened during Covid.
Unreal said:
Condi said:
JagLover said:
Virtually everyone does have access to basic internet if by that you mean they can sign up to a service that delivers a download speed of at least 30 mps. If we are talking of a minimum of 10 mps that is 99.7% of homes.
Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
The people who don't have internet by choice are likely to be the poorest, and as such their education and opportunities suffer compared with those who can afford it. Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
Basic free internet for everyone negates that at relatively low cost, although thinking about it, I'm pretty sure people on low incomes can get internet vouchers or similar which does allow them to get free internet. Would need to look to be sure, but it certainly happened during Covid.
Unreal said:
What exactly will these people do with their free internet? I assume some sort of cost:benefit analysis has been conducted.
Access to educational services beyond the classroom.Access to services like HMRC
Access to a wider jobs market.
Access to charitable services.
Etc.etc
The world has moved online and it's gets harder each year to access stuff when you are not online. Those without should not be penalised and denied access just because of cost.
Jeez, it's like the free school dinners argument again...
Unreal said:
Condi said:
JagLover said:
Virtually everyone does have access to basic internet if by that you mean they can sign up to a service that delivers a download speed of at least 30 mps. If we are talking of a minimum of 10 mps that is 99.7% of homes.
Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
The people who don't have internet by choice are likely to be the poorest, and as such their education and opportunities suffer compared with those who can afford it. Only 7% of British homes do not have home internet. Average download speeds for those with broadband is around 65 mps.
Basic free internet for everyone negates that at relatively low cost, although thinking about it, I'm pretty sure people on low incomes can get internet vouchers or similar which does allow them to get free internet. Would need to look to be sure, but it certainly happened during Covid.
valiant said:
Unreal said:
What exactly will these people do with their free internet? I assume some sort of cost:benefit analysis has been conducted.
Access to educational services beyond the classroom.Access to services like HMRC
Access to a wider jobs market.
Access to charitable services.
Etc.etc
The world has moved online and it's gets harder each year to access stuff when you are not online. Those without should not be penalised and denied access just because of cost.
Jeez, it's like the free school dinners argument again...
Unreal said:
Excellent. I'll add free internet for all to my list of free stuff and spending we can all look forward to.
Internet access is now a commodity. Right now my internet bill presumably pays for shareholder dividends, advertising, duplicated infrastructure, call centres processing people switching at the end of their contracts or arguing for a discount.....It's not impossible that an increase in taxation to provide home broadband might be a net saving.
valiant said:
Unreal said:
Excellent. I'll add free internet for all to my list of free stuff and spending we can all look forward to.
Good. You know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
valiant said:
Unreal said:
What exactly will these people do with their free internet? I assume some sort of cost:benefit analysis has been conducted.
Access to educational services beyond the classroom.Access to services like HMRC
Access to a wider jobs market.
Access to charitable services.
Etc.etc
The world has moved online and it's gets harder each year to access stuff when you are not online. Those without should not be penalised and denied access just because of cost.
Jeez, it's like the free school dinners argument again...
I remember during lock down that a lot of children were disadvantaged due to a lack of Internet access.
In my own experience running twice weekly zoom sessions for army cadets we had several who could only log in for one or two sessions a month. We did very little training, mostly it was to keep an eye on them. A lot of them really did suffer at that time.
It's very easy to look at life through the lens of our experiences, those on the margins of society - those who may need the most help - are the ones that policy was targeted at.
SD.
In my own experience running twice weekly zoom sessions for army cadets we had several who could only log in for one or two sessions a month. We did very little training, mostly it was to keep an eye on them. A lot of them really did suffer at that time.
It's very easy to look at life through the lens of our experiences, those on the margins of society - those who may need the most help - are the ones that policy was targeted at.
SD.
Free internet is a bizzare idea,
Telecomms networks (fixed and mobile), data centres & internet services providers are all businesses in private hands (some foreign owned).
So either you are paying them to provide services or you are trying to nationalise /sequestrate their assets (and then paying to run them).
Either way, the taxpayer is paying & the latter option looks like a payday for the legal profession.
Telecomms networks (fixed and mobile), data centres & internet services providers are all businesses in private hands (some foreign owned).
So either you are paying them to provide services or you are trying to nationalise /sequestrate their assets (and then paying to run them).
Either way, the taxpayer is paying & the latter option looks like a payday for the legal profession.
shed driver said:
I remember during lock down that a lot of children were disadvantaged due to a lack of Internet access.
In my own experience running twice weekly zoom sessions for army cadets we had several who could only log in for one or two sessions a month. We did very little training, mostly it was to keep an eye on them. A lot of them really did suffer at that time.
It's very easy to look at life through the lens of our experiences, those on the margins of society - those who may need the most help - are the ones that policy was targeted at.
SD.
Yeah but fIn my own experience running twice weekly zoom sessions for army cadets we had several who could only log in for one or two sessions a month. We did very little training, mostly it was to keep an eye on them. A lot of them really did suffer at that time.
It's very easy to look at life through the lens of our experiences, those on the margins of society - those who may need the most help - are the ones that policy was targeted at.
SD.
k them what's it going to cost me?shed driver said:
I remember during lock down that a lot of children were disadvantaged due to a lack of Internet access.
In my own experience running twice weekly zoom sessions for army cadets we had several who could only log in for one or two sessions a month. We did very little training, mostly it was to keep an eye on them. A lot of them really did suffer at that time.
It's very easy to look at life through the lens of our experiences, those on the margins of society - those who may need the most help - are the ones that policy was targeted at.
SD.
Agreed, similar experience but at secondary school levelIn my own experience running twice weekly zoom sessions for army cadets we had several who could only log in for one or two sessions a month. We did very little training, mostly it was to keep an eye on them. A lot of them really did suffer at that time.
It's very easy to look at life through the lens of our experiences, those on the margins of society - those who may need the most help - are the ones that policy was targeted at.
SD.
xeny said:
Internet access is now a commodity. Right now my internet bill presumably pays for shareholder dividends, advertising, duplicated infrastructure, call centres processing people switching at the end of their contracts or arguing for a discount.....
It's not impossible that an increase in taxation to provide home broadband might be a net saving.
It is not impossible that you will have far worse service as well. In the old nationalised days waits of a few months for a new telephone line were not uncommon.It's not impossible that an increase in taxation to provide home broadband might be a net saving.
A few years back you could say this was a pressing issue, but now virtually everyone who wants home broadband can get it, and with good speeds as well. I have 150 mps for £35 a month.
shed driver said:
I remember during lock down that a lot of children were disadvantaged due to a lack of Internet access.
In my own experience running twice weekly zoom sessions for army cadets we had several who could only log in for one or two sessions a month. We did very little training, mostly it was to keep an eye on them. A lot of them really did suffer at that time.
It's very easy to look at life through the lens of our experiences, those on the margins of society - those who may need the most help - are the ones that policy was targeted at.
SD.
I remember during Lockdown (Christ - NEVER AGAIN) that a lot of kids were disadvantaged by the crap that some teachers were setting for themIn my own experience running twice weekly zoom sessions for army cadets we had several who could only log in for one or two sessions a month. We did very little training, mostly it was to keep an eye on them. A lot of them really did suffer at that time.
It's very easy to look at life through the lens of our experiences, those on the margins of society - those who may need the most help - are the ones that policy was targeted at.
SD.
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