Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[TheJimi]

MightyBadger said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Yeah, that's very proportionate!

Do you think Cameron was right to say that? Do you agree with it? Originally we were just helping them to defend Ukraine.

We're still "just helping them to defend Ukraine"

What do you think has changed?

[MightyBadger]

TheJimi said:

We're still "just helping them to defend Ukraine"

What do you think has changed?

?

Cameron said it was fine to go on the offensive with the weapons we are giving them.

He should have kept his gob shut.

This thread and all news channels now on ignore

[Biggy Stardust]

MightyBadger said:

You could see how Putin might feel (waving the sabre) as we are making a lot of those strikes possible for Ukraine with stuff we send them.

Just feels like when Cameron says things like we creep just that little bit closer to WW3.

Oh well.

The Law of the Playground- the bully must be allowed to do whatever he wants & nobody must come to the aid of the victim.

[g4ry13]

ecsrobin said:

MightyBadger said:

Do you think Cameron was right to say that? Do you agree with it? Originally we were just helping them to defend Ukraine.

Yes
Yes
Striking facilities that are supporting the war effort inside Russia seems a sensible way to defend your country.

It's interesting how Israel killing 3 sons of Hamas leader by bombing a location in Iran is unpalatable for some. Yet Ukraine entering Russia and striking facilities is acceptable.

[ecsrobin]

g4ry13 said:

It's interesting how Israel killing 3 sons of Hamas leader by bombing a location in Iran is unpalatable for some. Yet Ukraine entering Russia and striking facilities is acceptable.

Assuming that’s a generic statement and not aimed at me.

[g4ry13]

ecsrobin said:

g4ry13 said:

It's interesting how Israel killing 3 sons of Hamas leader by bombing a location in Iran is unpalatable for some. Yet Ukraine entering Russia and striking facilities is acceptable.

Assuming that’s a generic statement and not aimed at me.

I don't personally know your Israel stance.

So i'd say it's a fairly generic statement.

[pingu393]

Assuming the police won't help. If the big bully has threatened to burn your house down tonight and you know that he is making Molotov cocktails in his shed, is it unacceptable to burn the shed down using a match given to you by a friend?

[BikeBikeBIke]

MightyBadger said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Yeah, that's very proportionate!

Do you think Cameron was right to say that? Do you agree with it? Originally we were just helping them to defend Ukraine.

Strikes in Russia *is* defending Ukraine.

Yes he was right to say it.

And we're right not to rule out boots on the ground either.

Putin won't stop until he knows he can't win, everything we do to make him think quitting is his best option helps end the war.

[BikeBikeBIke]

MightyBadger said:

Just feels like when Cameron says things like we creep just that little bit closer to WW3.

You don't think a military invasion of Europe was bringing us closer to WW3, but fighting back is?

And ww3? There's literally nowhere that would be on Russia's side. That's not a WW.

[BikeBikeBIke]

g4ry13 said:

It's interesting how Israel killing 3 sons of Hamas leader by bombing a location in Iran is unpalatable for some. Yet Ukraine entering Russia and striking facilities is acceptable.

Eh?

[Rumblestripe]

BikeBikeBIke said:

g4ry13 said:

It's interesting how Israel killing 3 sons of Hamas leader by bombing a location in Iran is unpalatable for some. Yet Ukraine entering Russia and striking facilities is acceptable.

Eh?

Someone who still believes that whataboutery is clever? Note the passive aggressive use of "interesting"...

Just a guess.

[isaldiri]

g4ry13 said:

It's interesting how Israel killing 3 sons of Hamas leader by bombing a location in Iran is unpalatable for some. Yet Ukraine entering Russia and striking facilities is acceptable.

To be fair, it's also interesting how Israel bombing civilian areas and causing wholesale destruction and suffering is palatable for some yet Russia doing the same to Ukraine is not similarly acceptable.

[hidetheelephants]

isaldiri said:

g4ry13 said:

It's interesting how Israel killing 3 sons of Hamas leader by bombing a location in Iran is unpalatable for some. Yet Ukraine entering Russia and striking facilities is acceptable.

To be fair, it's also interesting how Israel bombing civilian areas and causing wholesale destruction and suffering is palatable for some yet Russia doing the same to Ukraine is not similarly acceptable.

Can you keep the tedious israel-gaza mithering on the thread that's there for it?

[Puggit]

A quick reminder that Russia has previously used nuclear and chemical weapons in attacks on UK soil. I'm not sure why they feel the right to tell us we can't allow Ukraine to use British made conventional weapons on attacks on Russian soil.

[Cheib]

MightyBadger said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Yeah, that's very proportionate!

Do you think Cameron was right to say that? Do you agree with it? Originally we were just helping them to defend Ukraine.

We’re not going to be able to help Ukraine defeat Russia unless we help them attack Russian logistics. If it is a legitimate limitary target 100% they should be able to attack it.

Look at it this way if Ukraine is within say 20 km of the Russian border and Russian artillery is firing at Ukranian positions from within Russia should Ukraine be able to fire back ?

By Cameron going public it will be causing Russia problems….they suddenly now have to think about missile defence in that border area within a couple of hundred miles of the Ukranian border. This is a good thing.

[W12GT]

BikeBikeBIke said:

MightyBadger said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Yeah, that's very proportionate!

Do you think Cameron was right to say that? Do you agree with it? Originally we were just helping them to defend Ukraine.

Strikes in Russia *is* defending Ukraine.

Yes he was right to say it.

And we're right not to rule out boots on the ground either.

Putin won't stop until he knows he can't win, everything we do to make him think quitting is his best option helps end the war.

Agreed. It’s approaching the point where the West need to step up and do something serious. Not necessarily involving force but more of a ‘on blah date Ukraine will be part of NATO. Failure to withdraw troops and all equipment from Ukraine Sovereign soil as of Jan 2022 will result in Russia being at War with NATO.

We then proceed to move a shed load of mobile nuclear weaponry to highly visible locations directed to Russia. I have a feeling Russia would have their own way of dealing with Putin.

[borcy]

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/17874535964...

Interesting modified speed boat.

[borcy]

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/17875087...

Some indication the Russians have lost an Su34.

[borcy]

Conscription issues in Ukraine


https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may...

[Biggy Stardust]

isaldiri said:

Israel.....................wholesale destruction

For you they'll do it wholesale, m'boy.

(Cue Cohen the Barbarian joke)