The 'Bladerunners' are right
Discussion
Panamax said:
kambites said:
Believed by whom exactly? Someone monumentally clueless, I suspect.
You suspect wrong.Even in China, where facial recognition cameras are used to fine pedestrians who jaywalk, only a relatively small area of the country has close surveillance of what's happening on the ground. Nowadays you're on camera pretty much anywhere you go in UK. I was walking up a suburban road today and the houses were literally bristling with CCTV. Whenever there's a crime where do the police go? - Asking the public for dashcam footage and CCTV.
A lot of CCTV is also far too grainy and pixelated to use as proof for anything. It just seems a bit pointless in reality. I mean you get robbed and all you have is a grainy video of you being robbed. It doesn't change anything, you're still missing your stuff and the perps are still getting away with it. In my case, all I learned was that they came on site, and 8 minutes later, left with my catalyst in their boot. Not really all that useful in the grand scheme of things. Thankfully work paid to have it put right! Which I guess was one useful outcome of the CCTV. But as far as the police were concerned, nothing they could do with the footage.
C5_Steve said:
ingenieur said:
What do you mean 'how long did that last' ?
They're still being attacked: https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2022/12/...
I'm sorry, clearly still "sticking it to the man" up in Shropshire.They're still being attacked: https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2022/12/...
(for those of us old enough to remember the introduction of the Gatso, same groups made the sane noise when they launched. Made chuff all difference)
ULEZ is just the gateway to the placing of cameras across London boroughs.
The scheme is undermined in several ways, and its result is purely funding. Facts support miniscule air quality improvements, this isn't smog clouded LA, the UK is windy.
The cameras are not of the standard needed, they're not robust, in other words cheap. Once ULEZ becomes embedded and more money accrues, a more robust system [more expensive] will suddenly be installed. Its implementation is not 100% concrete yet, so Khan's hedging on the outlay.
Its all about pay per mile, which will be here in five years. The choke hold on drivers remains. The cash cows milked.
The scheme is undermined in several ways, and its result is purely funding. Facts support miniscule air quality improvements, this isn't smog clouded LA, the UK is windy.
The cameras are not of the standard needed, they're not robust, in other words cheap. Once ULEZ becomes embedded and more money accrues, a more robust system [more expensive] will suddenly be installed. Its implementation is not 100% concrete yet, so Khan's hedging on the outlay.
Its all about pay per mile, which will be here in five years. The choke hold on drivers remains. The cash cows milked.
Edited by stuttgartmetal on Monday 14th August 17:33
Faust66 said:
Pickle_Party_247 said:
Morons committing vandalism and wasting public money. Anyone kicking off about ULEZ charges is a complete child in any reasonable person's book. What's next, vandalising DVSA offices because they charge VED?
What happened to new users having to wait a year/make 1000 posts before being allowed to venture in to NP&E? smn159 said:
JagLover said:
smn159 said:
Is there a list of public infrastructure that it's OK to destroy? .
Those parts that have been installed to oppress the people rather than serve them. Do you expect your children to be asking what you did in the great Gammon uprising in years to come?
stuttgartmetal said:
ULEZ is just the gateway to the placing of cameras across London boroughs.
The scheme is undermined in several ways, and its result is purely funding. Facts support miniscule air quality improvements, this isn't smog clouded LA, the UK is windy.
The cameras are not of the standard needed, they're not robust, in other words cheap. Once ULEZ becomes embedded and more money accrues, a more robust system [more expensive] will suddenly be installed. Its implementation is not 100% concrete yet, so Khan's hedging on the outlay.
Its all about pay per mile, which will be here in five years. The choke hold on drivers remains. The cash cows milked.
Pay-per-mile is completely impractical to implement via. cameras.The scheme is undermined in several ways, and its result is purely funding. Facts support miniscule air quality improvements, this isn't smog clouded LA, the UK is windy.
The cameras are not of the standard needed, they're not robust, in other words cheap. Once ULEZ becomes embedded and more money accrues, a more robust system [more expensive] will suddenly be installed. Its implementation is not 100% concrete yet, so Khan's hedging on the outlay.
Its all about pay per mile, which will be here in five years. The choke hold on drivers remains. The cash cows milked.
Edited by Gareth79 on Monday 14th August 17:35
smn159 said:
ingenieur said:
smn159 said:
ingenieur said:
Arguably it's not public infrastructure if the means by which it came into being aren't of the people.
Well it was installed by an elected authority and it's expansion was backed by an elected government, so not sure what you mean by thatIf people really were asked they would have said 'no'. Supposedly when they got a load of negative responses to their consultations the results were thrown in the bin.
The Uxbridge byelection had in some ways taken the form of a proxy vote on ULEZ and caused Labour to lose a seat they thought they had a chance of winning. Sir Kier Starmer is straddling his fence and pouring cold water on it. Various councils have mounted legal challenges against it.
I don't think you can seriously claim that there's nothing to see here.
https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/17453762.sh...
Londoners were in no doubt that a vote for Khan was a vote to expand ULEZ.
Or does 'the will of the people' only count when it suits?
Sean Bailey was a terrible candidate, the charisma of an old mid-sized Mitsubishi.
I think with issues of this nature where something really significant is going to happen there is a tendency for British public to get hoodwinked into going along with it because really they're used to nothing really changing so it is a surprise when issues like this come up.
Brexit is a perfect example of this. People voted time after time for political parties, both Labour and Conservative who brought us tighter and tighter into the European Union to the point where I sovereignty had all but completely disappeared.
You could use the same defence but in the end the will of the people was at odds with what the officials and politicians were doing. They knew this as they always dressed it up as a financial benefit because they knew that was an easy sell to voters.
Faust66 said:
Pickle_Party_247 said:
Morons committing vandalism and wasting public money. Anyone kicking off about ULEZ charges is a complete child in any reasonable person's book. What's next, vandalising DVSA offices because they charge VED?
What happened to new users having to wait a year/make 1000 posts before being allowed to venture in to NP&E? valiant said:
So vandalism is good so long as we agree to the cause?
Gotcha.
Give it a few days to run but I'd love to see the Venn diagram between the people advocating locking up protesters on the JSO/XR and "lefty protesters I don't like" thread and the people saying what this lot are doing is absolutely fine.Gotcha.
Biggy Stardust said:
kambites said:
Panamax said:
UK is believed to be the most "monitored" country on this planet.
Believed by whom exactly? Someone monumentally clueless, I suspect. https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/cctv/
valiant said:
I seem to have missed these vigilantes for justice taking down cameras when the ulez was expanded to the North/South circular borders.
Maybe their mums told them not venture too far from home then…
Or maybe people were generally okay with the anti-car sentiment inside the ring roads where public transport is passable but don't stand for it so much in areas more reliant on mechanised personal transport. Maybe their mums told them not venture too far from home then…
Gareth79 said:
smn159 said:
JagLover said:
smn159 said:
Is there a list of public infrastructure that it's OK to destroy? .
Those parts that have been installed to oppress the people rather than serve them. Do you expect your children to be asking what you did in the great Gammon uprising in years to come?
Being monitored, everyone.. not just those with non-compliant vehicles on every drive you take in London straddles a breaking point. I think it's a big step from having a smattering of cameras dotted about, on high streets in particular. From that to a situation where you create a little log file on Kahn's computer every time you leave your house is a bit too much.
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