I predict a massive financial case next 5 years

[Mr Whippy]

Caddyshack said:

This graph explains how a falling birth rate still grows the population, some people prefer pictures (I do):

Crystal ball.

Birth rates projected out for 75yrs?!

For all we know the human species might be gone in 25yrs.

[Caddyshack]

Mr Whippy said:

Caddyshack said:

This graph explains how a falling birth rate still grows the population, some people prefer pictures (I do):

Crystal ball.

Birth rates projected out for 75yrs?!

For all we know the human species might be gone in 25yrs.

If you re-read what I wrote, ‘this graph explains HOW a failing birth rate still grows the population", it doesn’t matter if it happens, it is to explain the concept to those that needed it explaining.

75 yrs is not even a sneeze of time. It’s a model prediction of what is likely to happen. There is nothing to suggest the human species will be gone for hundreds of thousands of years.

[Caddyshack]

Human population got down to around 1200 breeding age adults at one point 700,000 years ago…not sure how the historians know that but the fact that we got down to that and back up to where we are now shows how resilient we are…even a huge nuclear war is likely to have some survivors long term, I suppose?

[Ken_Code]

Caddyshack said:

Human population got down to around 1200 breeding age adults at one point 700,000 years ago…not sure how the historians know that but the fact that we got down to that and back up to where we are now shows how resilient we are…even a huge nuclear war is likely to have some survivors long term, I suppose?

You can tell from looking at the genetic diversity that we have now.

[Caddyshack]

Ken_Code said:

Caddyshack said:

Human population got down to around 1200 breeding age adults at one point 700,000 years ago…not sure how the historians know that but the fact that we got down to that and back up to where we are now shows how resilient we are…even a huge nuclear war is likely to have some survivors long term, I suppose?

You can tell from looking at the genetic diversity that we have now.

That would make perfect sense…hard of thinking today.

[Ken_Code]

Caddyshack said:

That would make perfect sense…hard of thinking today.

https://www.sci.news/othersciences/anthropology/pleistocene-human-bottleneck-12232.html#:~:text=They%20detected%20a%20reduction%20in,as%20chronologically%2C%E2%80%9D%20said%20Dr.

[Mr Whippy]

Caddyshack said:

Mr Whippy said:

Caddyshack said:

This graph explains how a falling birth rate still grows the population, some people prefer pictures (I do):

Crystal ball.

Birth rates projected out for 75yrs?!

For all we know the human species might be gone in 25yrs.

If you re-read what I wrote, ‘this graph explains HOW a failing birth rate still grows the population", it doesn’t matter if it happens, it is to explain the concept to those that needed it explaining.

75 yrs is not even a sneeze of time. It’s a model prediction of what is likely to happen. There is nothing to suggest the human species will be gone for hundreds of thousands of years.

I get your point on making a point.

But it’s still all bks.

Africa alone with decent irrigation could support 11 billion people comfortably.

There is room for people. There isn’t room for the modern cultural and economic lifestyles.

And that’s where the UK has an opportunity to lead the way as no one else is (I mean genuinely, not half arsed let’s pretend bullst but actually get fully behind it)

But instead we just do 1-2yr fixes… not 100 year fixes… despite, as you say, humans likely being here for many millenia to come.


An utter shambles across the board but what do we expect when the wealthy run the world for the own interests?


Which is why you focus on your own lot, and focus on things that bring true happiness.

[Ken_Code]

Citation needed on the Africa just needing irrigation. Plants need more than water and sunshine. Is there an actual high-quality study that shows this?

[Simpo Two]

Ken_Code said:

Citation needed on the Africa just needing irrigation. Plants need more than water and sunshine. Is there an actual high-quality study that shows this?

Actually water and sunshine is a lot of it - the other part is nutrients which come from the soil.

And there's a human factor - you have to be able to farm, as opposed to forage.

[Ken_Code]

Simpo Two said:

Actually water and sunshine is a lot of it - the other part is nutrients which come from the soil.

And there's a human factor - you have to be able to farm, as opposed to forage.

In modern agriculture the nitrogen is almost wholly produced industrially, using fossil fuels, plus, of course, the supposedly plausible farming land doesn’t currently have much soil, it’s the Sahara.

[Simpo Two]

Ken_Code said:

In modern agriculture the nitrogen is almost wholly produced industrially, using fossil fuels, plus, of course, the supposedly plausible farming land doesn’t currently have much soil, it’s the Sahara.

There's plenty of Africa that isn't the Sahara, but ultimately like everything it all comes down to cost.

On the plus side, if the planet really is warming, millions of square miles of frozen Canada and Russia will become viable for agriculture.

[AceRockatansky]

Mr Whippy said:

Caddyshack said:

This graph explains how a falling birth rate still grows the population, some people prefer pictures (I do):

Crystal ball.

Birth rates projected out for 75yrs?!

For all we know the human species might be gone in 25yrs.

Only on PH can someone post a graph to prove there is no decline, that shows a decline. If you post the rest of that graph we can all see the collapse.

[Caddyshack]

AceRockatansky said:

Mr Whippy said:

Caddyshack said:

This graph explains how a falling birth rate still grows the population, some people prefer pictures (I do):

Crystal ball.

Birth rates projected out for 75yrs?!

For all we know the human species might be gone in 25yrs.

Only on PH can someone post a graph to prove there is no decline, that shows a decline. If you post the rest of that graph we can all see the collapse.

Read the post, it says it helps (some) people understand how the population can still be increasing whilst the birth rates are dropping. It has nothing to do with the end number, nothing that I have posted denies that the numbers may eventually fall.

[Caddyshack]

AceRockatansky said:

Mr Whippy said:

Caddyshack said:

This graph explains how a falling birth rate still grows the population, some people prefer pictures (I do):

Crystal ball.

Birth rates projected out for 75yrs?!

For all we know the human species might be gone in 25yrs.

Only on PH can someone post a graph to prove there is no decline, that shows a decline. If you post the rest of that graph we can all see the collapse.

Also, I already answered getting the wrong end of the stick about the very same picture further up on the same page. I could not post anymore of the graph as no
More existed.

Edited by Caddyshack on Tuesday 7th May 19:59

[Ken_Code]

AceRockatansky said:

Only on PH can someone post a graph to prove there is no decline, that shows a decline. If you post the rest of that graph we can all see the collapse.

Go on then, point out the part of the graph that shows a current decline in population, which you still seem to claim is already happening.

This should be good.

[Panamax]

AceRockatansky said:

Only on PH can someone post a graph to prove there is no decline, that shows a decline. If you post the rest of that graph we can all see the collapse.

Please go and watch the movie Forrest Gump.
You'll find some useful tips in there.

[Mr Whippy]

Ken_Code said:

Simpo Two said:

Actually water and sunshine is a lot of it - the other part is nutrients which come from the soil.

And there's a human factor - you have to be able to farm, as opposed to forage.

In modern agriculture the nitrogen is almost wholly produced industrially, using fossil fuels, plus, of course, the supposedly plausible farming land doesn’t currently have much soil, it’s the Sahara.

I can’t dig out the info because Google now just churns up something whinging about Africa’s population growth.

But that’s the issue isn’t it, modern agriculture which saps the soil of nutrients.
All the food waste should go back on the land but instead it goes in a bin.

For thousands of millenia animals lived off the land there sustainably. Some of the largest predator carnivore animals we know of in the fossil records, which suggests a vast food chain in a wetland type region.



In any case I don’t really care, I’m not here to argue, just to point out that humans are beyond help.

All our solutions lay in front of us to be picked up but todays modern society is incapable of doing so.

You’d think a country like the UK could lead the way but sadly it’s the country dragging its feet the most given it’s advantageous starting position.

[Simpo Two]

Mr Whippy said:

You’d think a country like the UK could lead the way but sadly it’s the country dragging its feet the most given it’s advantageous starting position.

Sorry I missed the plot - what are we supposed to be doing?

I don't know why everyone expects the UK to 'lead the way' in everything, we're small and broke.

[NickZ24]

Mr Whippy said:

For all we know the human species might be gone in 25yrs.

Even a full nuclear war will not eliminate the entire human race.
Pockets of human will survive and repopulate sooner than expected.

Look at Chernobyl. One think is pretty sure living in a capital city in Europe is not an advantage.

[Mr Whippy]

Simpo Two said:

Mr Whippy said:

You’d think a country like the UK could lead the way but sadly it’s the country dragging its feet the most given it’s advantageous starting position.

Sorry I missed the plot - what are we supposed to be doing?

I don't know why everyone expects the UK to 'lead the way' in everything, we're small and broke.

Broke is relative.

Small? What has that got to do with anything?

60 million people and we just sit and whinge about being broke and helpless?
Sounds like a species ready for the chopping block with that attitude.