USA Gratuity And/Or Tip?
Discussion
bad company said:
wibble cb said:
Just come back from a week in Arizona, wait staff were pleasant, most restaurants we went to had a new business continuity fee of 4% added to the bill, no idea why they just can’t up the prices, it’s not fooling anyone that there is inflation, 16 oz pints ranged from $6 to $9 depending on where you are, while my wife picked a cocktail in on place that was $19!!
Was the ‘business continuity fee’ compulsory? I hate hidden charges.I was in México 10 days ago and a group of ~20 of us had dinner in a “ok” place in Playa Agustinillo, which is a tiny beach pueblo with fairly basic services.
We left about 10% tip and the waitress stopped my partner and I from leaving (we were the last ones), asking if she’d done anything wrong, as normally they expect a tip of 15%+!
I argued that we’re not used to tip that much in Europe and after some to and fro we managed to leave.
It’s not like prices were cheap in the first place considering this was little more than a beach hut with some tables and fans.
Cool story bro etc, but it pissed me off that the US are exporting these stupid expectations wherever they go!
No tips expected in China which I loved
We left about 10% tip and the waitress stopped my partner and I from leaving (we were the last ones), asking if she’d done anything wrong, as normally they expect a tip of 15%+!
I argued that we’re not used to tip that much in Europe and after some to and fro we managed to leave.
It’s not like prices were cheap in the first place considering this was little more than a beach hut with some tables and fans.
Cool story bro etc, but it pissed me off that the US are exporting these stupid expectations wherever they go!
No tips expected in China which I loved
eldar said:
markiii said:
definately no tip if I'm ordering on an app
Yup, I'm not going to tip a bloody app.The server may only be getting $2.19 per hour before tips, regardless of how the food is ordered and if you're using an app it's not fine dining so they are going to be on the bottom end of the scale.
matrignano said:
I was in México 10 days ago and a group of ~20 of us had dinner in a “ok” place in Playa Agustinillo, which is a tiny beach pueblo with fairly basic services.
We left about 10% tip and the waitress stopped my partner and I from leaving (we were the last ones), asking if she’d done anything wrong, as normally they expect a tip of 15%+!
I argued that we’re not used to tip that much in Europe and after some to and fro we managed to leave.
It’s not like prices were cheap in the first place considering this was little more than a beach hut with some tables and fans.
Cool story bro etc, but it pissed me off that the US are exporting these stupid expectations wherever they go!
No tips expected in China which I loved
How much was the tip in $?We left about 10% tip and the waitress stopped my partner and I from leaving (we were the last ones), asking if she’d done anything wrong, as normally they expect a tip of 15%+!
I argued that we’re not used to tip that much in Europe and after some to and fro we managed to leave.
It’s not like prices were cheap in the first place considering this was little more than a beach hut with some tables and fans.
Cool story bro etc, but it pissed me off that the US are exporting these stupid expectations wherever they go!
No tips expected in China which I loved
unrepentant said:
eldar said:
markiii said:
definately no tip if I'm ordering on an app
Yup, I'm not going to tip a bloody app.The server may only be getting $2.19 per hour before tips, regardless of how the food is ordered and if you're using an app it's not fine dining so they are going to be on the bottom end of the scale.
unrepentant said:
eldar said:
markiii said:
definately no tip if I'm ordering on an app
Yup, I'm not going to tip a bloody app.The server may only be getting $2.19 per hour before tips, regardless of how the food is ordered and if you're using an app it's not fine dining so they are going to be on the bottom end of the scale.
Customers and staff vote with their feet.
acer12 said:
Another one to think about,
More food places in the US are moving electronic where you scan a barcode for menu, order from their website and pay within the website. Im not just talking about McDonalds here, this includes mid scale table serve restaurants like red lobster, olive garden, pubs etc.
If restaurant chains like the ones you mention are mid-scale, you must have been plumbing abyssal depths to find the low end of the market!More food places in the US are moving electronic where you scan a barcode for menu, order from their website and pay within the website. Im not just talking about McDonalds here, this includes mid scale table serve restaurants like red lobster, olive garden, pubs etc.
LunarOne said:
If restaurant chains like the ones you mention are mid-scale, you must have been plumbing abyssal depths to find the low end of the market!
You know when I was typing that I guessed some ar5ebag would be along to judge my post and here you are. Its disappointing it took you so long.To rise to you post, not sure how you would call a place like Red Lobster low end, their surf and turf is about $40 and is decent.
eldar said:
The wait staff choose to work for a pittance plus extra for providing a good service. The employers have removed the ability to provide that service. Tough old world.
Customers and staff vote with their feet.
Like I said, please stay home. American customers and knowledgeable visitors understand how the system works and are quite happy. People like you just give the British a bad name over here. Customers and staff vote with their feet.
acer12 said:
LunarOne said:
If restaurant chains like the ones you mention are mid-scale, you must have been plumbing abyssal depths to find the low end of the market!
You know when I was typing that I guessed some ar5ebag would be along to judge my post and here you are. Its disappointing it took you so long.To rise to you post, not sure how you would call a place like Red Lobster low end, their surf and turf is about $40 and is decent.
Red Lobster is literally plumbing the depths of crappy low end chain restaurants. Do you like Olive Garden too?
acer12 said:
LunarOne said:
If restaurant chains like the ones you mention are mid-scale, you must have been plumbing abyssal depths to find the low end of the market!
You know when I was typing that I guessed some ar5ebag would be along to judge my post and here you are. Its disappointing it took you so long.To rise to you post, not sure how you would call a place like Red Lobster low end, their surf and turf is about $40 and is decent.
I’m not here to get into an argument but Mrs BC and I like the Capital Grille very much though our favourite is Selva - https://selvagrill.com/
We generally tip around 20% there.
We generally tip around 20% there.
unrepentant said:
eldar said:
markiii said:
definately no tip if I'm ordering on an app
Yup, I'm not going to tip a bloody app.The server may only be getting $2.19 per hour before tips, regardless of how the food is ordered and if you're using an app it's not fine dining so they are going to be on the bottom end of the scale.
unrepentant said:
eldar said:
The wait staff choose to work for a pittance plus extra for providing a good service. The employers have removed the ability to provide that service. Tough old world.
Customers and staff vote with their feet.
Like I said, please stay home. American customers and knowledgeable visitors understand how the system works and are quite happy. People like you just give the British a bad name over here. Customers and staff vote with their feet.
unrepentant said:
eldar said:
The wait staff choose to work for a pittance plus extra for providing a good service. The employers have removed the ability to provide that service. Tough old world.
Customers and staff vote with their feet.
Like I said, please stay home. American customers and knowledgeable visitors understand how the system works and are quite happy. People like you just give the British a bad name over here. Customers and staff vote with their feet.
Do you pay a tip if you use a self serve petrol pump?
markiii said:
I'll eat where I choose, I'm not subsidising the tightness of the employer
It's got nothing to do with the tightness of the employer.It's to do with American culture. If you're in any kind of sales position you are responsible for making your own income. Servers get $2.19 per hour (or whatever the tipped minimum is in their state) but their actual income comes from their performance. That's the American way. Poll servers and ask if they'd rather have a salary and no tips and they'll tell you hell no. The consumer understands how the system works.
It's the same as the people who sell you a house or a car or a piece of furniture or a new suit. Nobody gives them a salary, they are paid based on performance. It's the American way, you work hard and make your own income. It's starting to change a little in some industries because millennials can't cope with the concept of not having a guaranteed income but for seasoned sales people, like seasoned servers, the current system works much better for them.
Of course there's also a different attitude towards sales people here, including servers..........
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