Official 2024 Miami Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[HardtopManual]

TheDeuce said:

I think my mind was made up when I clashed with a teacher over pointlessness of learning any form of maths beyond the basic - because we all have a calculator.

"But what if you're at work one day and you don't have a calculator"

Wtf!? If I was at work one day and I informed my client that the project was delayed because I didn't have a calculator to hand, they'd say "get a fking calculator", they wouldn't ask why I don't just do it all with the aid of long multiplication.

As it is I engineer giant water tanks for film and TV, I know exactly what I'm doing and I pay a structural engineer a few quid every now and again to tell me I'm right and to keep my clients happy. I've never had one of my design solutions disproved.

I'm willing to bet most of my fellow classmates that hung around to learn about algebra don't even really understand how VAT works, despite paying it every day of their lives. But teach em algebra right..? Just 'because'.

If you've got ideas that go beyond what the school are teaching you, leave.

Maths is a language that accurately describes pretty much anything you care to choose in the entire universe. "Calculators and algebra" is a very narrow view of the subject.

I rather think that your classmates who understand algebra do also understand how VAT works. Imagining that people who are more capable than you in a subject you struggle with are deficient in something simpler that you understand is a common coping mechanism.

[732NM]

TheDeuce said:

If you've got ideas that go beyond what the school are teaching you, leave.

School is a stepping stone to the next stage of life. How valuable that is to you and society is variable, without people who do gain knowledge building on that foundation, the country and future development would be in the st. We need those that do have the ability to take steps forward and be educated, in all subjects.

There is definitely room for improvement teaching life skills, but just because you didn't find it useful, does not mean that's the right path for the majority, it isn't, and it's certainly not the right path for the majority of our future innovation and scientific breakthroughs.

Ironically, the modern F1 car you enjoy couldn't be built or designed without the high tech knowledge and research built on the foundation of a solid engineering and scientific research background that requires you to continue in education, and neither would your pocket calculator or smartphone. Newey didn't magically leave school ready to build race cars that dominate, he studied and learned the deep understanding he has relied upon at University and his design staff will all have that kind of background.

[paulguitar]

I think a basic wide-ranging education is very good to have.


I am sometimes amazed by some of the deficits of the American Education system. Mrs Guitar has a comical ignorance of what I would consider basic geography and history, and she's a Dr!

[heebeegeetee]

TheDeuce said:

I think my mind was made up when I clashed with a teacher over pointlessness of learning any form of maths beyond the basic - because we all have a calculator.

"But what if you're at work one day and you don't have a calculator"

Wtf!? If I was at work one day and I informed my client that the project was delayed because I didn't have a calculator to hand, they'd say "get a fking calculator", they wouldn't ask why I don't just do it all with the aid of long multiplication.

As it is I engineer giant water tanks for film and TV, I know exactly what I'm doing and I pay a structural engineer a few quid every now and again to tell me I'm right and to keep my clients happy. I've never had one of my design solutions disproved.

I'm willing to bet most of my fellow classmates that hung around to learn about algebra don't even really understand how VAT works, despite paying it every day of their lives. But teach em algebra right..? Just 'because'.

If you've got ideas that go beyond what the school are teaching you, leave.

Surely this only proves that both you and Lando are dependent on people who stayed on and did maths?

The employment security of the people who Lando is dependent upon are far greater too, I reckon.

[TheDeuce]

HardtopManual said:

TheDeuce said:

I think my mind was made up when I clashed with a teacher over pointlessness of learning any form of maths beyond the basic - because we all have a calculator.

"But what if you're at work one day and you don't have a calculator"

Wtf!? If I was at work one day and I informed my client that the project was delayed because I didn't have a calculator to hand, they'd say "get a fking calculator", they wouldn't ask why I don't just do it all with the aid of long multiplication.

As it is I engineer giant water tanks for film and TV, I know exactly what I'm doing and I pay a structural engineer a few quid every now and again to tell me I'm right and to keep my clients happy. I've never had one of my design solutions disproved.

I'm willing to bet most of my fellow classmates that hung around to learn about algebra don't even really understand how VAT works, despite paying it every day of their lives. But teach em algebra right..? Just 'because'.

If you've got ideas that go beyond what the school are teaching you, leave.

Maths is a language that accurately describes pretty much anything you care to choose in the entire universe. "Calculators and algebra" is a very narrow view of the subject.

I rather think that your classmates who understand algebra do also understand how VAT works. Imagining that people who are more capable than you in a subject you struggle with are deficient in something simpler that you understand is a common coping mechanism.

I never said I struggled with it, I find it very easy.

I said that beyond basic mathematical principles, I see little value - unless you want to go into certain very specialised areas of further learning.

It was fairly obvious to me back then that knowledge was about to become available for everyone, instantly, and explained in detail via the internet.

I use hoop stress calculation very frequently for example, but the understanding of that came from an internet forum about 20 years ago. These days I use an online calculator as it's far quicker than manual calculation.

I'm convinced most people actually really don't understand VAT, specifically the 'value added', obviously they know as a consumer it adds 20%ir whatever rate applies to the price they pay.

My point is that I was more interested in learning what I needed to learn for what I wanted to do. I wasn't interested in wasting the time being taught anything and everything in the vague hope more than 5% of it is actually useful in later life.

[TheDeuce]

heebeegeetee said:

TheDeuce said:

I think my mind was made up when I clashed with a teacher over pointlessness of learning any form of maths beyond the basic - because we all have a calculator.

"But what if you're at work one day and you don't have a calculator"

Wtf!? If I was at work one day and I informed my client that the project was delayed because I didn't have a calculator to hand, they'd say "get a fking calculator", they wouldn't ask why I don't just do it all with the aid of long multiplication.

As it is I engineer giant water tanks for film and TV, I know exactly what I'm doing and I pay a structural engineer a few quid every now and again to tell me I'm right and to keep my clients happy. I've never had one of my design solutions disproved.

I'm willing to bet most of my fellow classmates that hung around to learn about algebra don't even really understand how VAT works, despite paying it every day of their lives. But teach em algebra right..? Just 'because'.

If you've got ideas that go beyond what the school are teaching you, leave.

Surely this only proves that both you and Lando are dependent on people who stayed on and did maths?

The employment security of the people who Lando is dependent upon are far greater too, I reckon.

Indeed. And yes.

All sorts of people are are useful to one another in various ways.

[g4ry13]

This thread has gone from discussing a race to Donald Trump and now the merits of academic qualifications.

[TheDeuce]

g4ry13 said:

This thread has gone from discussing a race to Donald Trump and now the merits of academic qualifications.

True

I took it down the academic route as Lando's lack of GCSE's was put forward as a factor in his level of awareness/judgement.

Judgement about Trump.

So basically, the threads been ruined by Trump. Now, we need to make it great again

[Blib]

Just seen the race.

GET IN LANDO!!!!!

[740EVTORQUES]

I don’t buy the argument that availability of vast amounts of information via the interest makes the acquisition of knowledge and context redundant.

Education is about so much more than acquiring a base set of
skills, it’s about developing an enquiring mind, opening your eyes to interests you might not have considered and above all interaction with other students surely?

[HardtopManual]

"Because I don't need to know that today" is a fairly pitiful reason to decline to learn something. I'm glad I don't think like that.

[Blib]

Blib said:

Just seen the race.

GET IN LANDO!!!!!

I seem to have posted on the wrong thread.

[TheDeuce]

740EVTORQUES said:

I don’t buy the argument that availability of vast amounts of information via the interest makes the acquisition of knowledge and context redundant.

Education is about so much more than acquiring a base set of
skills, it’s about developing an enquiring mind, opening your eyes to interests you might not have considered and above all interaction with other students surely?

I always had an enquiring mind, and considered all sorts of things - in the end I concluded that taking myself out of mainstream education and into the real world would get me where I wanted to be faster. I was right.

For me, real life experience in a commercial setting along with the money I was paid to fund my engineering hobbies was of high value to me. I was confident if there were any gaps in my knowledge that became an issue due the line, I could quickly educate myself as needed - it was obvious that was about to become incredibly easy due to the net.

I'm absolutely not suggesting that a full length education and the social aspects of it aren't very valuable. For most people,it makes the most sense to stay in education for as long as possible.

For me, it didn't make sense. It would be very odd if a single education system was ideal for everyone.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 6th May 18:21

[Evanivitch]

740EVTORQUES said:

But that’s why you pay PR people (including at weekends) to help handle your media.

Saying it’s ok because your driver is uneducated and ignorant of the world around him is not a good look.

Bring an F1 driver is about a lot more than just driving fast. Vettel and Hamilton show that it’s possible to aim higher.

There’s no excuse, doing something like this that would be predicted to alienate large numbers of your audience is inexcusable and amateurish.

But as said, Trump for all the criticism, is a former US president and the candidate for the next election. It's the.bonkers reality from the outside, but is what it is as leader of the government opposition in a way.

[Derek Smith]

g4ry13 said:

This thread has gone from discussing a race to Donald Trump and now the merits of academic qualifications.

Qualifications are for nothing. The only thing that matters is how educated you are; what you know.

[Jasandjules]

Derek Smith said:

Qualifications are for nothing. The only thing that matters is how educated you are; what you know.

No, WHO you know can generate far, far better results than merely what you know......

[Orchardab]

Has anyone on this thread mentioned 2021 yet?

[PhilAsia]

Firm handshake...

[TheDeuce]

Derek Smith said:

g4ry13 said:

This thread has gone from discussing a race to Donald Trump and now the merits of academic qualifications.

Qualifications are for nothing. The only thing that matters is how educated you are; what you know.

Yep, qualifications can suggest there's a good chance you can do something. If you're unqualified yet already doing it successfully... That's a 100% certainly you can do it.

So I took the fastest route available to getting to a point I could demonstrate what I could do. I guess Lando did too.

[RosscoPCole]

Well done Lando. Was great to see so many drivers and people from different teams being so pleased for his first win. It shows that F1 can be a community that enjoys celebrating the maiden win of a driver.