The Joy of Running an Old Shed (Vol 2)

[ST565NP]

bugo said:

Talk of the diesel Civics

Turbo diesels have a ton of torque, and drink less fuel. BUT, all the diesels have many parts that go wrong and are expensive to change/repair. The petrol ones are much simpler and usually do not go wrong. Also, are ULEZ compatible. So, unless you do at least 20K miles a year, a petrol shed is always a better deal.

[egor110]

Time for the mondeo to go and daily this.

£1450 mot until may 25 , 23k I'm the 4th owner.

[Bonefish Blues]

What flavour/spec?

[carinaman]

Nice. Five pot? Manual? HU803 stereo?

[anarki]

ST565NP said:

Turbo diesels have a ton of torque, and drink less fuel. BUT, all the diesels have many parts that go wrong and are expensive to change/repair. The petrol ones are much simpler and usually do not go wrong. Also, are ULEZ compatible. So, unless you do at least 20K miles a year, a petrol shed is always a better deal.

I'm sad enough to have whipped up a quick spreadsheet the other week on this as I wanted some closure on my own running costs, as I thought about making the change to a petrol Civic, it didn't make sense for me personally, so will continue running the diesel.

Fuel in my area is £1.52 a litre for Diesel (£6.90 a gallon), £1.45 a litre for petrol (£6.58 a gallon)

My 1.7 Diesel Mk7 Civic has averaged 52MPG in my ownership (calculated per tank fill up, not the computer)
A 1.8 petrol Civic Mk8 averages 45MPG (Rough guess looking online at owners comments for my mix of driving)

At 10k a year (I do a lot more miles myself) fuel costs would be £1,320 in the diesel, £1,460 for the petrol. Tax on mine is £180/190, tax on the petrol is £250/260

Even at 10k miles a year I'm saving some money (I'm closer to 14k a year), mine doesn't have any worrying emissions stuff tacked on, so the only concern would be the turbo - in comparison to a N/A petrol. The rest is just wear and tear items that any car faces.

Diesels still have their place IMO.

[r3g]

anarki said:

I'm sad enough to have whipped up a quick spreadsheet the other week on this as I wanted some closure on my own running costs, as I thought about making the change to a petrol Civic, it didn't make sense for me personally, so will continue running the diesel.

Fuel in my area is £1.52 a litre for Diesel (£6.90 a gallon), £1.45 a litre for petrol (£6.58 a gallon)

My 1.7 Diesel Mk7 Civic has averaged 52MPG in my ownership (calculated per tank fill up, not the computer)
A 1.8 petrol Civic Mk8 averages 45MPG (Rough guess looking online at owners comments for my mix of driving)

At 10k a year (I do a lot more miles myself) fuel costs would be £1,320 in the diesel, £1,460 for the petrol. Tax on mine is £180/190, tax on the petrol is £250/260

Even at 10k miles a year I'm saving some money (I'm closer to 14k a year), mine doesn't have any worrying emissions stuff tacked on, so the only concern would be the turbo - in comparison to a N/A petrol. The rest is just wear and tear items that any car faces.

Diesels still have their place IMO.

45 mpg from a 1.8 petrol Civic? That is definitely optimistic unless 90% of your driving is on motorways sat behind trucks. But even at a far more realistic mid to high 30s for the petrol, I'd still have one as it only needs 1 set of DPF, DMF, EGR or injectors to go wonky on the diesel and once you've added in the labour and VAT, that's your diesel mpg savings instantly wiped out. That's not to say that petrols don't go wrong, but generally speaking it's either coil packs, plugs, leads or sensors - all of which are simple and relatively cheap and easy fixes.

[BenS94]

r3g said:

anarki said:

I'm sad enough to have whipped up a quick spreadsheet the other week on this as I wanted some closure on my own running costs, as I thought about making the change to a petrol Civic, it didn't make sense for me personally, so will continue running the diesel.

Fuel in my area is £1.52 a litre for Diesel (£6.90 a gallon), £1.45 a litre for petrol (£6.58 a gallon)

My 1.7 Diesel Mk7 Civic has averaged 52MPG in my ownership (calculated per tank fill up, not the computer)
A 1.8 petrol Civic Mk8 averages 45MPG (Rough guess looking online at owners comments for my mix of driving)

At 10k a year (I do a lot more miles myself) fuel costs would be £1,320 in the diesel, £1,460 for the petrol. Tax on mine is £180/190, tax on the petrol is £250/260

Even at 10k miles a year I'm saving some money (I'm closer to 14k a year), mine doesn't have any worrying emissions stuff tacked on, so the only concern would be the turbo - in comparison to a N/A petrol. The rest is just wear and tear items that any car faces.

Diesels still have their place IMO.

45 mpg from a 1.8 petrol Civic? That is definitely optimistic unless 90% of your driving is on motorways sat behind trucks. But even at a far more realistic mid to high 30s for the petrol, I'd still have one as it only needs 1 set of DPF, DMF, EGR or injectors to go wonky on the diesel and once you've added in the labour and VAT, that's your diesel mpg savings instantly wiped out. That's not to say that petrols don't go wrong, but generally speaking it's either coil packs, plugs, leads or sensors - all of which are simple and relatively cheap and easy fixes.

From my experience with two 1.8s, 45 MPG sounds about right - we're all different of course

[egor110]

carinaman said:

Nice. Five pot? Manual? HU803 stereo?

2.0 turbo , auto , se model with the dolby pro logic stereo

[georgeyboy12345]

egor110 said:

carinaman said:

Nice. Five pot? Manual? HU803 stereo?

2.0 turbo , auto , se model with the dolby pro logic stereo

Is that an auto as in powershift/geartronic?

Hopefully you don’t cover too many miles, they like a drink!

[Challo]

Had a bit of time yesterday and decided to change the rear pads on the Jazz. Ordered them from GFS, took the wheel off, removed the caliper which is a pain because Honda placed the brake line so close to the bolt you cant use a socket.

Stuck on the new pads, thought they looked a little big. Checked back on the back and it says Civic not Jazz.

Now my own fault for not checking the box, but thought GFS would at least send the right ones.

Waste of an hour in the rain.

[greenarrow]

BenS94 said:

From my experience with two 1.8s, 45 MPG sounds about right - we're all different of course

Was going to chip in and agree. When the MK8 (or is it 7) Civic (2005-10 one) was quite new, I recall quite a bit of discussion in Autocar and the like over the real world economy of the petrol and diesel models where it was found that the petrol got very close to the diesel in many examples. Personally I think the 2.2 CDTI only makes sense v the 1.8 petrol if your mileage is predominately motorway based. Around town as we know, diesels lose a lot of their advantage. For example, take the case of my old F318d v my daughter's Astra H 1.6 petrol. On my monthly 520 mile trip to Liverpool and back, my BMW can get into the 60s (measured, not just OBC) whereas the Astra won't beat low 40s MPG. However for the 3 weeks when I am at home doing mainly short trips, the 318d struggles to get much beyond 40MPG (OBC) whereas the Astra is still in the low to mid 30s (measured).....I actually got an indicated 71.8 MPG driving to Liverpool in the 318d last Tuesday, aided by heavy traffic which meant I just used Eco Pro mode and didn't go much over 65 MPH. In those sort of conditions diesels are amazing and no similar sized petrol car will get close ( I think the 318i might get around 50MPG on a long run if you're lucky).

Of course, the potential for diesels to bork as they get older writes off potential savings, but on that score, some of the newer petrol turbos have their issues too!

[CivicDuties]

I can't be bothered to work out to the exact empeegees, but I recently drove my 1.8 petrol Civic (2016, Tourer) from Dumbarton to Reading, filling the tank on departure and arriving at destination with 100 miles remaining still on the range guessometer. 3 people on board, a dog and a full boot of luggage. Pretty decent.

[7 5 7]

Gordon Hill said:

7 5 7 said:

It is going to need a few more rear bushes and fix the corroded rear springs soon, so will be bringing it in once it has some downtime, hovering around 155,000"ish miles by then

Edited by 7 5 7 on Sunday 5th May 09:07

Now that Vectra is one filthy car, good on you for not giving a sh#t, I couldn't live with it though.

Oh she's a mucky pup alright, keeps people from going near it mind out on the road - looks like a car to avoid at all costs, when it comes out of 'warp speed' on the other side of the country

[QBee]

7 5 7 said:

Gordon Hill said:

7 5 7 said:

It is going to need a few more rear bushes and fix the corroded rear springs soon, so will be bringing it in once it has some downtime, hovering around 155,000"ish miles by then

Edited by 7 5 7 on Sunday 5th May 09:07

Now that Vectra is one filthy car, good on you for not giving a sh#t, I couldn't live with it though.

Oh she's a mucky pup alright, keeps people from going near it mind out on the road - looks like a car to avoid at all costs, when it comes out of 'warp speed' on the other side of the country

Beige is the new black.

[bodhi]

BenS94 said:

From my experience with two 1.8s, 45 MPG sounds about right - we're all different of course

Just for balance our 1.8 Civic is currently showing 29.1 MPG but is only really used for short trips - and on those trips I have a habit of making VTEC kick in (yo) - out on a run I can push 40 but any higher would take a bit of slipstreaming and stopping trying to trigger the shift lights on the dash...

[egor110]

georgeyboy12345 said:

egor110 said:

carinaman said:

Nice. Five pot? Manual? HU803 stereo?

2.0 turbo , auto , se model with the dolby pro logic stereo

Is that an auto as in powershift/geartronic?

Hopefully you don’t cover too many miles, they like a drink!

Yes , it only does 14 miles a day.

[greenarrow]

I have received some sad news today... my daughter is travelling home on the next Bank Holiday weekend to pick up her Astra H and return to Manchester with it. This means I will no longer have a shed... boo hiss. However, I do have a spare key to the wife's Fiesta ST150 which is certainly old enough at 19 years to qualify as a shed. I will really miss that Astra however..... it just fits into my life perfectly as a run around for the 3 weeks out of 4 that I work from home....

[Hoofy]

A cyclist rode into my car last week. He apologised. I couldn't tell which were his scratches and which were already there. #shedlife

[7 5 7]

Hoofy said:

A cyclist rode into my car last week. He apologised. I couldn't tell which were his scratches and which were already there. #shedlife

shed life rules.

[QBee]

7 5 7 said:

Hoofy said:

A cyclist rode into my car last week. He apologised. I couldn't tell which were his scratches and which were already there. #shedlife

shed life rules.

A few years ago my wife backed her Saab into a shed of an Astra.
Not a mark on her carm, but she thought she had dented his.
She left a note on the windscreen and I had a call from the yoof who owned it (my wife is deaf).
He arranged to come and see us and brought his dad with him.

Long story short, none of us could tell for sure which of the 15 dents on the thing were actually her doing, but we played it straight and honest and asked him to get an estimate for what we concluded between us were bumper repairs.

Never heard from them again.