RE: Aston Martin Rapide | Spotted

RE: Aston Martin Rapide | Spotted

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E30KB

246 posts

65 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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biggbn said:
AlmondGreen said:
E30KB said:
Nice car - If it were mine first thing I would do is remove the " Rapide" boot badge.

Btw why " Rapide" ?. Did they run out of imagination with names beginning with V ?. They could have gone for the Aston Martin Voluminous.
AML should have done a swap deal then. Rapide for Vitesse. I think that would have been mutually beneficial.

It’s because Aston Martin used a name from their Lagonda back-catalogue. The Lagonda Rapide is a rare 4-door from the 1960s

Apropos nothing and based on nothing but a hazy memory, the Rover Vitesse was to be called the Rapide but AML wouldn't play ball with the name. Warning...this MAY be urban myth but I'm sure I read it somewhere in my deep and distant past.

JW911

898 posts

196 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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All this talk of Panameras and no one has mentioned these.



Obviously not a V12 but another four door GT which is arguably better than the original two door. Discreet and properly quick when you want it to be. Mine is the 6 cylinder petrol which is a rare machine in this form, one of about twenty in the U.K.

Edited by JW911 on Sunday 22 October 11:50

Angelo1985

249 posts

27 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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I love astons of this era, but the rapide…once I saw it in the flesh I realised it wasn’t remotely interesting, compared to the other 4 door coupes of the period. That’s probably the reason why they are not so loved and depreciated quite a lot.
I would much rather buy a db9

Wheel Turned Out

574 posts

39 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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Muddle238 said:
I really like these, have monitored prices for a little while but the main thing thst puts me off isn't even the day-to-day running costs, it's the potential bork factor. A friend had a £10k bill last year for his V8V, I can only imagine a V12 Rapide has the potential to easy swallow a bill similar or greater.

But they are no doubt lovely things, however I've owned some cars in the past that while were fantastic things, borkage always worried me to the point I wouldn't enjoy the car, and I suspect a Rapide would quite happily sit firmly in that category, sadly.
I suppose it depends on what that bill was for - V8V owners tend to report them as pretty reliable and not too much of a headache, aside from the well known pricy clutch job and whatnot. And with good looks, great sound, and a reasonable amount of usability there's a lot to make them worth the risk.

I think it's endemic to most of these types of cars - none of them really make sense with our sensible trousers on. Any offering from one of the "premium" manufacturers can throw up a bill that size in the blink of an eye. It's more about whether the enjoyment of the car itself makes it worth rolling the dice.

MarkwG

4,869 posts

190 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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mooseracer said:
I take issue with the seller saying it has a clean MOT. Kudos to whoever did 57k in the first three years of it's life.

It's a beauty for 30k that's for sure.
It says will come with a clean MoT, rather than it has one. The two advisories relate to slight cracking/perishing of the front tyres, so I'd expect the tyres to be changed before purchase anyway. Then it's a matter of a new MoT prior to delivery.

Marc H

209 posts

155 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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What to PH mean by 'from a considerable distance'?

Smifffy

1,992 posts

267 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and God I love seeing mine in the morning.

I use the Henley mobile service van for regular servicing - since Cambridge Aston Martin closed there are very few main dealers but HWM have a mobile van that will come to you for £50 extra.

If main dealer servicing is important to you you should check out your nearest.

The Rapide is an excellent GT. The rear seats go down and there's a cargo mat that sits over them giving you a huge, flat floorspace that takes suitcases or whatever.

It's quick enough. Having had a stage 2 GTR it's not in that league, but it'll cruise at 100 leptons with ease and you'll feel relaxed at your destination.

Steering feel is superb. Well judged for a GT but enough involvement so when you want to throw it around it's communicative and fun. Body roll is well controlled but it is 1800+ kgs so you do get a bit of understeer - just control with the throttle.

Mine is a 2011 so was built in Austria. It feels indestructible. My only real issue was the coil packs failing after about 40k miles. Replaced under warranty in the 1st year of my ownership after buying from the main dealer in the 'Timeless' scheme but woukd have been about £2k.

Perhaps I've been lucky but I researched well before buying. It's a ZF gearbox and a V12 that's known for being pretty bombproof. Brakes are the painful expense if you go main dealer route. I did the rears @ £1800 last year and expecting fronts @ £3k this year. But it's generally kind to them and tyres last well (my Pilot sport 4S are near 20 miles old now).

It's a keeper. Every time you walk out to it, it gives you the warm and fuzzies. And then you hear the V12. Oh - and cos it's an Aston you don't get the coffee bean shakes - I've never been let out of side turns as much... At £30k it's a ridiculous steal - just buy with the right service history and you'll have a ball.

C5_Steve

3,229 posts

104 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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I had no idea these had come down in value so much! Out of all the 4 door offerings we had this was certainly my favourite, so easily mistaken for a DB9 at a distance it's a beautiful design and hides it's size well.

Yes it's going to cost a bit to maintain but when the barrier to entry is so low surely you can build in a maintenance budget and still be quids in (stretching the man maths there.....)

Mashwort

83 posts

155 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Ran mine for two years. Loved the majority of the experience - the ride / handling was well judged for me, space acceptable (although my son found it a little tight and now hes grown a fair bit not sure he'd be as comfortable), the performance was very accessible and the noise was just epic.

Very glad I had the warranty (used 3 times) and the running costs were inline with what I expected (it aint a cheap car!) but couldn't trust it after the 3rd time it left me stranded on the side of the road. IF it had been reliable pretty sure I would have kept it for a lot longer as I really miss it and its probably the only car I've owned that I really want to try again with.

TarquinMX5

1,967 posts

81 months

Wednesday 25th October 2023
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biggbn said:
Apropos nothing and based on nothing but a hazy memory, the Rover Vitesse was to be called the Rapide but AML wouldn't play ball with the name. Warning...this MAY be urban myth but I'm sure I read it somewhere in my deep and distant past.
Not a myth, Rover had an early mock-up badged as Rapide, complete with Rapide side decals (have a photo of it); Aston wouldn't release the name so it became Vitesse (as per Triumph).

The Rapide is a lovely car (well, the model subject of this thread is, I still don't like the early 60's model).

nismo48

3,780 posts

208 months

Wednesday 25th October 2023
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Cracking car for the money, excellent looking thing and worth a punt.

braddo

10,589 posts

189 months

Thursday 26th October 2023
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JW911 said:
All this talk of Panameras and no one has mentioned these.



Obviously not a V12 but another four door GT which is arguably better than the original two door. Discreet and properly quick when you want it to be. Mine is the 6 cylinder petrol which is a rare machine in this form, one of about twenty in the U.K.
Definitely the most attractive modern BMW in my eyes, but not in the same class as Rapides and Quattroportes. Panameras are probably somewhere between (especially older ones with cheap diesel engines)



EvoRetro

98 posts

211 months

Friday 12th April
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I just came across this post, despite some pretty intensive Googl’ing I hadn’t seen it when I decided to make the leap a couple of months ago. Thought I would share my experience as I have basically done what is being discussed here.

Since early 2024 I have been considering a new car, even seriously considered going electric but I have a couple of other cars (E92 M3/ GT350 Skyline) so I wasn’t especially looking for a daily or the best economy, more something for weekends and road trips. I also have a teenage daughter who quite regularly is accompanied by further teenagers.

After a getting involved in consulting project a couple of years ago which necessitated sourcing and heavily modifying a few Aston Martin DB9’s, I became aware of Rapide and what great value they offer for such a gorgeous v12 beast of a car. I purchased a 2011 model (I prefer the grille) with 60k miles in Casino Royale (darkish pearl grey metallic) with Obsidian leather, B&O/Rear screens options and upgraded ‘S’ shadow edition 20” alloys (to my eyes these add a bit of 177 styling)

I purchased my car knowing it needed front discs/pads and an annual service (oil/filters). These items came to a not inconsiderable £3k, however Bamford Rose did an inspection report whilst doing the service which bumped it up a few hundred pounds. I also plan to do plugs and coil packs soon as advised by BR after checking the engine low level misfire count.

Other than the maintenence mentioned above, I will fit 4x PS4s tyres (Recommended by Mike @ Bamford Rose) and may go down the route of an Aston installations Apple Car play upgrade but for now I am streaming my music via an Invery bt module which works great. The car has been an unreal experience to own so far, I feel so privileged to own such an awesome brute it’s not missed a beat. I’ve used it far more than I had planned just because it’s such a lot of car, I cannot resist it. Roll on Goodwood and Spa Classic

The suspension rides nicely, very supple considering how stiff the bonded chassis is and it does surprisingly well on fuel if you allow the auto box to do its thing and shuffle gears. It’s a big car but on the right road, selecting sport mode/ stiff suspension setting is a riot of speed, noise and feedback, actually too much for most passengers. On a motorway cruise the car will sit at anything up to (and over) the speed limit with virtually no cabin noise unless you drop a couple of gears on the left paddle, which is a must for the odd tunnel . My car is fitted with an exhaust bypass valve switch, it’s a certainly a bit of fun but makes a bit too much noise for me in most scenario's.

If anyone is on the cusp of jumping in, I thoroughly recommend you do it, the running cost may be higher than say a BMW but you won’t regret owning one of these. How much longer will we be allowed to own and enjoy these types of vehicles. Every time I get behind that long bonnet I feel a rush from driving my Rapide and it’s not just us that appreciates these cars judging by the great feedback it gets from other people. Theres a great Rapide Facebook group, I recommend joining that if you are considering buying or already own one.

Fun Rapide fact:
Clearly the Rapide is approximately a foot longer than a DB9 but not many people realise they are also over 2 inches wider!





Edited by EvoRetro on Friday 12th April 08:09

Purosangue

986 posts

14 months

Friday 12th April
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ticking time bomb

Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from

MarkwG

4,869 posts

190 months

Friday 12th April
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Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb

Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.

To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.

Julian Thompson

2,549 posts

239 months

Friday 12th April
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Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb

Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
Everything is a ticking time bomb - from your own human body to every last thing you own. Fortunately not every time bomb is set with the same clock. When was the last time you had to replace the engine block on a car?

(And on the rapide you can presumably deal with the primary cats before they get sucked into the engine to further lower the chances of engine issues)

Purosangue

986 posts

14 months

Friday 12th April
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MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb

Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.

To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
Have you owned one of the V12 Astons ?


I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles



Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive

on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.

The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.


I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "

Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge

trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing

why /

Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........

Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car

perhaps Mike can explain it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...

in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .

Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot





Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53

MarkwG

4,869 posts

190 months

Saturday 13th April
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Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb

Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.

To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
Have you owned one of the V12 Astons ?


I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles



Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive

on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.

The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.


I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "

Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge

trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing

why /

Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........

Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car

perhaps Mike can explain it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...

in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .

Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot

Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
So what? EVoRetro has decided that's what he wants, why do you feel the need to stamp all over it? You've no clue what his background or experience is, what inspection he had done or plans he has for his car. In essence, you've added nothing except "look at me, I had a DBS!". Bully for you...

Julian Thompson

2,549 posts

239 months

Saturday 13th April
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Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb

Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.

To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
Have you owned one of the V12 Astons ?


I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles



Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive

on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.

The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.


I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "

Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge

trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing

why /

Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........

Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car

perhaps Mike can explain it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...

in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .

Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot





Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
You’re just describing ANY car though, really. There are good owners who do all the stuff you mention, and then there are bad owners, who don’t.

Since the advent of the internet we know every common problem on every car, but we don’t know proper numbers of those problems and we don’t know how those cars were treated. So we have Porsche bore score, IMS bearings, ford ecoboost wet belts, Audi v8 timing chains, bmw vanos - the list of “ooooo don’t buy one of those” is endless, and yet thousands of owners don’t have a problem either and are cracking on enjoying their cars.

I think your aston block issue is just one of those.

Life is too short, but the V12 fella… hehe

PRO5T

4,001 posts

26 months

Saturday 13th April
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Why would a second hand engine on eBay cost more than a second hand car that contained the same engine?