RE: Aston Martin Rapide | Spotted
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Purosangue said:
Have you owned one of the V12 Astons ?
I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
There are plenty of Rapides and Rapide Ss that come for sale with full main dealer service history. These are the ones to go for as the owner has clearly not been penny pinching. Forget the ones in the late 20k's where stuff has been done on a budget. You can get a relative bargain (IMO) by buying privately, make sure it has FAMSH, get a good PPI done, and make sure the seller is a good sort who has owned it for a while. A very charismatic car and IMO sits well above Panameras of that era in desirability stakes, and you'd also not have seen them in premier league training ground carparks unlike the Conti GT of the era. They look very nice in navy blue, BRG or dark metallic red. I don't mind the gunmetal grey ones (of which there are limitless varieties) but black, white or even silver are a lot less impactful.I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
The problem lies with Aston not supporting future V12 owners , its been said since 2020 When Aston stopped producing them Aston legally should be keeping a stock of engines , they don't
So any potential buyers who don't know the issue and take a punt could well be out of pocket , hell £30k for any V12 looks like a bargain
you buy an early V12 for £ 30k and it needs a full engine swap , your looking at another £ 30 k for a second hand one once all the ancillaries are fitted back on the engine
PRO5T said:
Why would a second hand engine on eBay cost more than a second hand car that contained the same engine?
For a complete engine out swap , lets say you bought a V12 for £30k , it has an engine issue ? You take it to an AM engine specialist , who on examination deems the engine un repairable removes the engine from the car ,
a replacement is sought prices vary 10k-20k ?
that engine is an unknown so you have that engine stripped down and rebuilt ,
with rebuild and labour charges you would easily be looking at 30k
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
The problem lies with Aston not supporting future V12 owners , its been said since 2020 When Aston stopped producing them Aston legally should be keeping a stock of engines , they don't
So any potential buyers who don't know the issue and take a punt could well be out of pocket , hell £30k for any V12 looks like a bargain
you buy an early V12 for £ 30k and it needs a full engine swap , your looking at another £ 30 k for a second hand one once all the ancillaries are fitted back on the engine
Your post is directly under his: a new owner puts a write up on his car, you reply 30 odd minutes later basically calling him a fool for buying one. If you didn't mean to attack him, maybe make that clear.
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
The problem lies with Aston not supporting future V12 owners , its been said since 2020 When Aston stopped producing them Aston legally should be keeping a stock of engines , they don't
So any potential buyers who don't know the issue and take a punt could well be out of pocket , hell £30k for any V12 looks like a bargain
you buy an early V12 for £ 30k and it needs a full engine swap , your looking at another £ 30 k for a second hand one once all the ancillaries are fitted back on the engine
Your post is directly under his: a new owner puts a write up on his car, you reply 30 odd minutes later basically calling him a fool for buying one. If you didn't mean to attack him, maybe make that clear.
I responded to the advert , pure and simple
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
which has sweet FA to do with any other posters who commented on 3 pages of thread. Now if I had quoted Evo retros comment , then yes you would have a valid point ...........but i didn't ! because I never read his post , nor the other 3 pages !!
you then go on to say
MarkwG said:
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.
.
I replied as an owner of a V12 the potentials pitfalls , even offering advise and including clips from Bamford rose .
MarkwG said:
So what? EVoRetro has decided that's what he wants, why do you feel the need to stamp all over it? You've no clue what his background or experience is, what inspection he had done or plans he has for his car. In essence, you've added nothing except "look at me, I had a DBS!". Bully for you...
Your response yet again strangely quoting EVOReto ??? and more hilarity by saying I had a DBS " Bully for you" / what does that even mean , Does it matter what V12 I've had ? , actually if you read my reply to (YouI mentioned good practices for owners who have these engines and what preventative measures you can take ? its irrelative if you have a DB9/ DBS/ Rapide etc i ........but as as far as I can tell your have never had a V12 so your comments " you've added nothing ? .. doesn't make any sense ?
As an owner of a V12 .............Yes it does !
its your mistake and no one else's thinking my initial comment referred to a chap who bought a Rapide
It didn't !........it was referring to the initial advert .............ok
are we done !
now get that Trevor out of the garage , have a cup of tea and chill out
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 18:28
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
The problem lies with Aston not supporting future V12 owners , its been said since 2020 When Aston stopped producing them Aston legally should be keeping a stock of engines , they don't
So any potential buyers who don't know the issue and take a punt could well be out of pocket , hell £30k for any V12 looks like a bargain
you buy an early V12 for £ 30k and it needs a full engine swap , your looking at another £ 30 k for a second hand one once all the ancillaries are fitted back on the engine
Your post is directly under his: a new owner puts a write up on his car, you reply 30 odd minutes later basically calling him a fool for buying one. If you didn't mean to attack him, maybe make that clear.
I responded to the advert , pure and simple
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
which has sweet FA to do with any other posters who commented on 3 pages of thread. Now if I had quoted Evo retros comment , then yes you would have a valid point ...........but i didn't ! because I never read his post , nor the other 3 pages !!
you then go on to say
MarkwG said:
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.
.
I replied as an owner of a V12 the potentials pitfalls , even offering advise and including clips from Bamford rose .
MarkwG said:
So what? EVoRetro has decided that's what he wants, why do you feel the need to stamp all over it? You've no clue what his background or experience is, what inspection he had done or plans he has for his car. In essence, you've added nothing except "look at me, I had a DBS!". Bully for you...
Your response yet again strangely quoting EVOReto ??? and more hilarity by saying I had a DBS " Bully for you" / what does that even mean , Does it matter what V12 I've had ? , actually if you read my reply to (YouI mentioned good practices for owners who have these engines and what preventative measures you can take ? its irrelative if you have a DB9/ DBS/ Rapide etc i ........but as as far as I can tell your have never had a V12 so your comments " you've added nothing ? .. doesn't make any sense ?
As an owner of a V12 .............Yes it does !
its your mistake and no one else's thinking my initial comment referred to a chap who bought a Rapide
It didn't !........it was referring to the initial advert .............ok
are we done !
now get that Trevor out of the garage , have a cup of tea and chill out
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 18:28
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
The problem lies with Aston not supporting future V12 owners , its been said since 2020 When Aston stopped producing them Aston legally should be keeping a stock of engines , they don't
So any potential buyers who don't know the issue and take a punt could well be out of pocket , hell £30k for any V12 looks like a bargain
you buy an early V12 for £ 30k and it needs a full engine swap , your looking at another £ 30 k for a second hand one once all the ancillaries are fitted back on the engine
Your post is directly under his: a new owner puts a write up on his car, you reply 30 odd minutes later basically calling him a fool for buying one. If you didn't mean to attack him, maybe make that clear.
I responded to the advert , pure and simple
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
which has sweet FA to do with any other posters who commented on 3 pages of thread. Now if I had quoted Evo retros comment , then yes you would have a valid point ...........but i didn't ! because I never read his post , nor the other 3 pages !!
you then go on to say
MarkwG said:
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.
.
I replied as an owner of a V12 the potentials pitfalls , even offering advise and including clips from Bamford rose .
MarkwG said:
So what? EVoRetro has decided that's what he wants, why do you feel the need to stamp all over it? You've no clue what his background or experience is, what inspection he had done or plans he has for his car. In essence, you've added nothing except "look at me, I had a DBS!". Bully for you...
Your response yet again strangely quoting EVOReto ??? and more hilarity by saying I had a DBS " Bully for you" / what does that even mean , Does it matter what V12 I've had ? , actually if you read my reply to (YouI mentioned good practices for owners who have these engines and what preventative measures you can take ? its irrelative if you have a DB9/ DBS/ Rapide etc i ........but as as far as I can tell your have never had a V12 so your comments " you've added nothing ? .. doesn't make any sense ?
As an owner of a V12 .............Yes it does !
its your mistake and no one else's thinking my initial comment referred to a chap who bought a Rapide
It didn't !........it was referring to the initial advert .............ok
are we done !
now get that Trevor out of the garage , have a cup of tea and chill out
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 18:28
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
The problem lies with Aston not supporting future V12 owners , its been said since 2020 When Aston stopped producing them Aston legally should be keeping a stock of engines , they don't
So any potential buyers who don't know the issue and take a punt could well be out of pocket , hell £30k for any V12 looks like a bargain
you buy an early V12 for £ 30k and it needs a full engine swap , your looking at another £ 30 k for a second hand one once all the ancillaries are fitted back on the engine
Your post is directly under his: a new owner puts a write up on his car, you reply 30 odd minutes later basically calling him a fool for buying one. If you didn't mean to attack him, maybe make that clear.
I responded to the advert , pure and simple
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
which has sweet FA to do with any other posters who commented on 3 pages of thread. Now if I had quoted Evo retros comment , then yes you would have a valid point ...........but i didn't ! because I never read his post , nor the other 3 pages !!
you then go on to say
MarkwG said:
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.
.
I replied as an owner of a V12 the potentials pitfalls , even offering advise and including clips from Bamford rose .
MarkwG said:
So what? EVoRetro has decided that's what he wants, why do you feel the need to stamp all over it? You've no clue what his background or experience is, what inspection he had done or plans he has for his car. In essence, you've added nothing except "look at me, I had a DBS!". Bully for you...
Your response yet again strangely quoting EVOReto ??? and more hilarity by saying I had a DBS " Bully for you" / what does that even mean , Does it matter what V12 I've had ? , actually if you read my reply to (YouI mentioned good practices for owners who have these engines and what preventative measures you can take ? its irrelative if you have a DB9/ DBS/ Rapide etc i ........but as as far as I can tell your have never had a V12 so your comments " you've added nothing ? .. doesn't make any sense ?
As an owner of a V12 .............Yes it does !
its your mistake and no one else's thinking my initial comment referred to a chap who bought a Rapide
It didn't !........it was referring to the initial advert .............ok
are we done !
now get that Trevor out of the garage , have a cup of tea and chill out
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 18:28
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
MarkwG said:
Purosangue said:
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
To EVoRetro -good write up, thank you, I trust you'll enjoy it.
I have , I owned a 2010 DBS Quantum Silver ..........The Bond car !!, Bought from an Aston Dealer With 3 year Aston Warranty FSH 20k miles
Drove it all over Europe , in 3 years I added around 15k miles , Car was regularly serviced , I had two sets of wheels , winter Summer fitted with Pirelli sotozeros , and I always checked the oil , regularly , every 200 miles she was topped up , never below the upper level on the dip stick , I had cats deleted by Aston and carried a litre of oil in the car. and always warmed the car up before a drive
on a few occasions i had to call out the flying technician , to stuck throttle bodies , Electrical gremlins etc. , But i maintained the car and she never let me down.
any preventative maintenance is a good thing on these cars , oil in the throttle bodies etc get them clean.
The ceramic brakes , I invested in a set of jacking spigots , so i could remove the wheels for cleaning , you don't want to get any Alloy wheel cleaner any where near the ceramic coating , its abrasive and will damage the discs .......at £3000 a corner not cheap to replace then with wheels removed id regularly apply AC-F50 anti corrosion oil to suspension mounts etc.
I met several owners who would jump in their car rag it up and down the motorway and never check tyres or oli levels until service time !! " let the dealer do it "
Why was this an issue because these cars did burn oil and needed topping up , if you ran the oil level low ......and im not talking below the low point on the dipstick , there was a potential you would starve cylinders 6 & 12 resulting in low oil pressure and premature wear , this could lead to engine failure .. and it happened a lot . If the oil light came on it was generally too late , these cars were not fitted with an oil pressure gauge
trouble was as these cars got cheaper , they attracted buyers who could afford them , but not the servicing costs , or if a fault occurred they were rapidly sold on , So any car with a lack of service history or lots of owners , failures on MOT history ... should tell you the car was probably not serviced correctly and alarm bells should be ringing
why /
Because if you bought a bargain , cheap DB9 / DBS / Rapide that had the on set of V12 engine issues and you ignored it and didn't keep up with preventative maintenance or had mis fires and were unlucky enough to suffer a catastrophic engine failure ,where say low oil pressure , resulted in a Piston punching a hole in your block ..........
Your stuffed .........because if you go to your nice AM dealer they are going to shrug and put you on a long waiting list , because there are no replacement V12 blocks ....... and if you can find one on ebay its going to cost more than you paid for the car
perhaps Mike can explain it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3m2Mk4PNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkwrPQt5HM&t=...
in a nut shell avoid these cheap deals , if you have the itch get Someone like Bamford Rose to do a full pre Inspection which includes a full engine health check , in this way you can enjoy these great cars ......... not have one sitting on your driveway thats sadly undriveable .
Of course Mr Stroll could get his finger out and get the V12 remanufactured as he should but until then ............Im oot
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 05:53
The problem lies with Aston not supporting future V12 owners , its been said since 2020 When Aston stopped producing them Aston legally should be keeping a stock of engines , they don't
So any potential buyers who don't know the issue and take a punt could well be out of pocket , hell £30k for any V12 looks like a bargain
you buy an early V12 for £ 30k and it needs a full engine swap , your looking at another £ 30 k for a second hand one once all the ancillaries are fitted back on the engine
Your post is directly under his: a new owner puts a write up on his car, you reply 30 odd minutes later basically calling him a fool for buying one. If you didn't mean to attack him, maybe make that clear.
I responded to the advert , pure and simple
ticking time bomb
Until Aston Martin start re producing " spare "v12 engine blocks , if anything goes wrong and it can , your sat with a useless piece of metal , this one sounds like a very used example which i would stay clear from
which has sweet FA to do with any other posters who commented on 3 pages of thread. Now if I had quoted Evo retros comment , then yes you would have a valid point ...........but i didn't ! because I never read his post , nor the other 3 pages !!
you then go on to say
MarkwG said:
What a charmless post: as my gran used to say, if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.
.
I replied as an owner of a V12 the potentials pitfalls , even offering advise and including clips from Bamford rose .
MarkwG said:
So what? EVoRetro has decided that's what he wants, why do you feel the need to stamp all over it? You've no clue what his background or experience is, what inspection he had done or plans he has for his car. In essence, you've added nothing except "look at me, I had a DBS!". Bully for you...
Your response yet again strangely quoting EVOReto ??? and more hilarity by saying I had a DBS " Bully for you" / what does that even mean , Does it matter what V12 I've had ? , actually if you read my reply to (YouI mentioned good practices for owners who have these engines and what preventative measures you can take ? its irrelative if you have a DB9/ DBS/ Rapide etc i ........but as as far as I can tell your have never had a V12 so your comments " you've added nothing ? .. doesn't make any sense ?
As an owner of a V12 .............Yes it does !
its your mistake and no one else's thinking my initial comment referred to a chap who bought a Rapide
It didn't !........it was referring to the initial advert .............ok
are we done !
now get that Trevor out of the garage , have a cup of tea and chill out
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 18:28
king assumptions and when you realise you are wrong , your still not man enough to admit your wrong Complete Bell End
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 13th April 20:14
Sorry, I seem to have started a bit of an argument with my input.
Im still totally enjoying my Rapide, it’s been down to the Goodwood members meeting and also back to @Bamfordrose to have their Catalytic converter ‘Evolution’ work carried out. To anyone interested (and if you own an AM v12 you probably should be) this is done to remove the possibility of the engine ingesting material from the surface of the primary cats.
Their Cat Evolution work consists of the following; custom down pipe header manifolds installed (in place of the factory headers/ primary cats), secondary sport high flow cats installed (usually in place of the factory secondary cats) - my factory secondary cats had been removed by last owner (cheap way to do get a bit more noise) so they reinstated secondaries by using their high flow sport cats. Lastly, the car is remapped actually improving fuel consumption by eliminating the additional fuelling applied by the factory to keep the cats cool under high throttle openings.
This work also unleashes approximately 50 more bhp which is a nice bonus, you can certainly feel the additional shove!
More information here https://youtu.be/DL-Bgzjy6IM?si=57XyF_DxJXZV90UK
So definitely noticing a few more Rapides in the marketplace. I can’t recommend these cars enough, such great vfm and road presence if you have a family, do road trips and you’re looking for a last hurrah before we all end up driving dull electric boxes!
Im still totally enjoying my Rapide, it’s been down to the Goodwood members meeting and also back to @Bamfordrose to have their Catalytic converter ‘Evolution’ work carried out. To anyone interested (and if you own an AM v12 you probably should be) this is done to remove the possibility of the engine ingesting material from the surface of the primary cats.
Their Cat Evolution work consists of the following; custom down pipe header manifolds installed (in place of the factory headers/ primary cats), secondary sport high flow cats installed (usually in place of the factory secondary cats) - my factory secondary cats had been removed by last owner (cheap way to do get a bit more noise) so they reinstated secondaries by using their high flow sport cats. Lastly, the car is remapped actually improving fuel consumption by eliminating the additional fuelling applied by the factory to keep the cats cool under high throttle openings.
This work also unleashes approximately 50 more bhp which is a nice bonus, you can certainly feel the additional shove!
More information here https://youtu.be/DL-Bgzjy6IM?si=57XyF_DxJXZV90UKSo definitely noticing a few more Rapides in the marketplace. I can’t recommend these cars enough, such great vfm and road presence if you have a family, do road trips and you’re looking for a last hurrah before we all end up driving dull electric boxes!
Edited by EvoRetro on Friday 3rd May 21:44
Further to previous posters comments about lack of replacement Aston Martin V12 engines, Ive some research on Aston V12 rebuilds & replacements. It seems that @Bamfordrose have a solution to this. Not a ‘cheap’ solution but would you really want cheap?
https://youtu.be/jcNrjCzn5Sk?si=DvIbyEG1Bo9pcnVf
https://youtu.be/jcNrjCzn5Sk?si=DvIbyEG1Bo9pcnVf
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