RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | PH Review
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My wife spotted a 5 in the car park yesterday as it rolled past, she said it was revolting, weird as I’ve the Integrale/Austin Princess mash up looks.
Saw a 6 in person the other day, oh dear, that is an unfortunate looking thing, maybe need to get used to them and “get it”, like with new BMWs but was thinking may look better in the metal, it didn’t, just weird, awkward and sort of wrong, sorry Hyundai it’s a miss from me.
Saw a 6 in person the other day, oh dear, that is an unfortunate looking thing, maybe need to get used to them and “get it”, like with new BMWs but was thinking may look better in the metal, it didn’t, just weird, awkward and sort of wrong, sorry Hyundai it’s a miss from me.
Had a poke round a 5 N the other day, looked amazing in frosted white even if it’s a colour I wouldn’t pick myself.
Sitting next to a normal 5, to my eyes a great design, it has the same visual distinction that, say, an RS6 has to my own cooking A6 Avant which something like the Hyundai will be replacing.
Have booked a test drive in the N so will see what it feels like compared to the Model 3 Performance, my Yaris etc.
The dealer is very cagey about test drives though. Need to be old, have clean license etc.,and they don’t let people take it out in the rain “because it’s too dangerous”
Sitting next to a normal 5, to my eyes a great design, it has the same visual distinction that, say, an RS6 has to my own cooking A6 Avant which something like the Hyundai will be replacing.
Have booked a test drive in the N so will see what it feels like compared to the Model 3 Performance, my Yaris etc.
The dealer is very cagey about test drives though. Need to be old, have clean license etc.,and they don’t let people take it out in the rain “because it’s too dangerous”
loudlashadjuster said:
Had a poke round a 5 N the other day, looked amazing in frosted white even if it’s a colour I wouldn’t pick myself.
Sitting next to a normal 5, to my eyes a great design, it has the same visual distinction that, say, an RS6 has to my own cooking A6 Avant which something like the Hyundai will be replacing.
Have booked a test drive in the N so will see what it feels like compared to the Model 3 Performance, my Yaris etc.
The dealer is very cagey about test drives though. Need to be old, have clean license etc.,and they don’t let people take it out in the rain “because it’s too dangerous”
Yes, they’re being quite cagey about test drives.Sitting next to a normal 5, to my eyes a great design, it has the same visual distinction that, say, an RS6 has to my own cooking A6 Avant which something like the Hyundai will be replacing.
Have booked a test drive in the N so will see what it feels like compared to the Model 3 Performance, my Yaris etc.
The dealer is very cagey about test drives though. Need to be old, have clean license etc.,and they don’t let people take it out in the rain “because it’s too dangerous”
I’ve hopefully booked in on the basis that I’ve got the EV6 GT already so quite used to the power, but even then they were a bit reluctant.
Had a test drive in the 5N a couple of days ago; and for me, it pretty much confirmed what I already thought about it - that I would love the thing.
I'm not used to that level of performance, as I'm coming from a '14 plate Fiesta ST, so the 5N is basically everything X3 (bhp, torque.... weight lol) but it genuinely caught me off guard coming off a slip road to join the motorway; without thinking or trying I was already above the limit so dialed things back. That was without any real acceleration either, as most of my drive was fairly busy unfortunately. I can see this being an absolute license liability.
I've only ever driven a Leaf as an EV comparison, so a polar opposite I guess and that was only for about 30 minutes, but I had the 5N for about 1.5hrs(!) and it was just really easy to drive. Smooth, responsive, doesn't in any way feel its weight at sensible speeds (didn't really give it a hoon as above) and it really doesn't feel its size either; anyone familiar with the M27 works going ahead at the moment and that really skinny centre lane they've put in? Was passing HGV's without it being squeaky bum time or feeling like I was getting pushed into lane 3 - that's a very specific example, but those that know will know! It felt similar in size to drive than my ST to be honest, something I wasn't really ready for.
Pumped in sound wasn't annoying or intrusive imo, not sure what volume it was at, but it was fine. Simulated gears were interesting, as I've also only ever driven manuals, so aside from reaching for a gearstick that wasn't there a few times, I found my hands away from the paddles at some points when I needed them (roundabouts for example) but that's a me thing I'll have to get used to if I get the car. 'Shifts' were smooth though, but again, I can't compare to an actual 8 speed dual clutch that its replicating, so someone else might find it different. It was certainly more fun and engaging than the normal EV point and squirt mode, but obviously a bit slower as it's interrupting power on each change, but still way, way more go than needed on a public road. I'm trying to sort a 2nd drive to give me more time faffing about with the modes, as I was so focused on just giving it a drive and shocked that I was told I had no time limit due to no other bookings, that I forgot to check out a load of things I wanted to.
Also, it looks fantastic in white. I really thought the Ecotronic Grey looked good (yes, boring I know) and I've not seen the orange one in person yet and my ST is orange, so that's something I want to check out too, but the black/greys, white and bright orange accents really go well together I think. The one I tested was the gloss, so interested to see how the matt differs in how the light/body shape looks on the car.
Suspension & seat was really comfy. Not sure if coming from an ST means I've developed a steel spine as I know they're notoriously crashy (personally I think it's fine but my other half feels ill after a while!) but the 5N was really compliant. Not sure what setting it was in, I assume softest, but I aimed for a couple of not too big potholes here and there and it was absolutely fine in soaking them up considering the 21 inch wheels and rubber band tyres. Obviously not super plush, but totally fine for everyday driving. Oh, and the ventilated seats will cryo freeze your future generations within a couple of minutes on the max setting, so that was interesting lol.
Brakes were... interesting. Not bad at all, but felt different due to them being a mix of regeneration and actual mechanical braking. I think that a lot of the braking was just regen until the last bite to stop maybe. Can't put my finger on it (or foot I guess), but it just felt different and might take a little while to get used to compared to what I'm used to. I guess I'm also just a lot more used to my ST brakes and how they feel/react etc and these were just different/new.
I'm still holding out hopes that it comes to our work salary sacrifice scheme in the future, as I will snap it up in a heartbeat. If not, I guess the upcoming N-Line will have to do!
EDIT: Oh, with regards to the above comments and some things popping up about test drives; the only stipulation I had was being over 25 and I couldn't drive it solo, which I completely understand, so presumably some dealers are a bit more strict than others!
I'm not used to that level of performance, as I'm coming from a '14 plate Fiesta ST, so the 5N is basically everything X3 (bhp, torque.... weight lol) but it genuinely caught me off guard coming off a slip road to join the motorway; without thinking or trying I was already above the limit so dialed things back. That was without any real acceleration either, as most of my drive was fairly busy unfortunately. I can see this being an absolute license liability.
I've only ever driven a Leaf as an EV comparison, so a polar opposite I guess and that was only for about 30 minutes, but I had the 5N for about 1.5hrs(!) and it was just really easy to drive. Smooth, responsive, doesn't in any way feel its weight at sensible speeds (didn't really give it a hoon as above) and it really doesn't feel its size either; anyone familiar with the M27 works going ahead at the moment and that really skinny centre lane they've put in? Was passing HGV's without it being squeaky bum time or feeling like I was getting pushed into lane 3 - that's a very specific example, but those that know will know! It felt similar in size to drive than my ST to be honest, something I wasn't really ready for.
Pumped in sound wasn't annoying or intrusive imo, not sure what volume it was at, but it was fine. Simulated gears were interesting, as I've also only ever driven manuals, so aside from reaching for a gearstick that wasn't there a few times, I found my hands away from the paddles at some points when I needed them (roundabouts for example) but that's a me thing I'll have to get used to if I get the car. 'Shifts' were smooth though, but again, I can't compare to an actual 8 speed dual clutch that its replicating, so someone else might find it different. It was certainly more fun and engaging than the normal EV point and squirt mode, but obviously a bit slower as it's interrupting power on each change, but still way, way more go than needed on a public road. I'm trying to sort a 2nd drive to give me more time faffing about with the modes, as I was so focused on just giving it a drive and shocked that I was told I had no time limit due to no other bookings, that I forgot to check out a load of things I wanted to.
Also, it looks fantastic in white. I really thought the Ecotronic Grey looked good (yes, boring I know) and I've not seen the orange one in person yet and my ST is orange, so that's something I want to check out too, but the black/greys, white and bright orange accents really go well together I think. The one I tested was the gloss, so interested to see how the matt differs in how the light/body shape looks on the car.
Suspension & seat was really comfy. Not sure if coming from an ST means I've developed a steel spine as I know they're notoriously crashy (personally I think it's fine but my other half feels ill after a while!) but the 5N was really compliant. Not sure what setting it was in, I assume softest, but I aimed for a couple of not too big potholes here and there and it was absolutely fine in soaking them up considering the 21 inch wheels and rubber band tyres. Obviously not super plush, but totally fine for everyday driving. Oh, and the ventilated seats will cryo freeze your future generations within a couple of minutes on the max setting, so that was interesting lol.
Brakes were... interesting. Not bad at all, but felt different due to them being a mix of regeneration and actual mechanical braking. I think that a lot of the braking was just regen until the last bite to stop maybe. Can't put my finger on it (or foot I guess), but it just felt different and might take a little while to get used to compared to what I'm used to. I guess I'm also just a lot more used to my ST brakes and how they feel/react etc and these were just different/new.
I'm still holding out hopes that it comes to our work salary sacrifice scheme in the future, as I will snap it up in a heartbeat. If not, I guess the upcoming N-Line will have to do!
EDIT: Oh, with regards to the above comments and some things popping up about test drives; the only stipulation I had was being over 25 and I couldn't drive it solo, which I completely understand, so presumably some dealers are a bit more strict than others!
Edited by Sebbak on Sunday 5th May 23:15
Thanks for the feedback.
I think the dealers' nervousness is just because they are not used to dealing in faster machinery. Tesla were quite happy to chuck me a key (card?) to the new Model 3 Performance at the weekend.
It was fast and very competent, but I think the indicators would continue to drive me nuts.
I think the dealers' nervousness is just because they are not used to dealing in faster machinery. Tesla were quite happy to chuck me a key (card?) to the new Model 3 Performance at the weekend.
It was fast and very competent, but I think the indicators would continue to drive me nuts.
A friend of mine picked his one up last week having been an Audi fanboy for many many years (he PX'd his RS6 for the 5). We went for a quick once around the block over the weekend. As previously said countless times the performance is absolutely bonkers as is the tech inside the car. My mate is the sort of bloke who will read any manual front to back several times to know all the ins and outs of any new bit of kit. He reckons it'll be a while before he's fully au fait with the car.
As for looks, I personally find the front & rear a bit 'meh' but side on it's a quite nice.
Like many others I find it incredible he's spent £65k on a Hyundai; as does he! When did that happen? However, where else could you get that sort of performance & versatility at that price
As for looks, I personally find the front & rear a bit 'meh' but side on it's a quite nice.
Like many others I find it incredible he's spent £65k on a Hyundai; as does he! When did that happen? However, where else could you get that sort of performance & versatility at that price
Roman Moroni said:
A friend of mine picked his one up last week having been an Audi fanboy for many many years (he PX'd his RS6 for the 5). We went for a quick once around the block over the weekend. As previously said countless times the performance is absolutely bonkers as is the tech inside the car. My mate is the sort of bloke who will read any manual front to back several times to know all the ins and outs of any new bit of kit. He reckons it'll be a while before he's fully au fait with the car.
As for looks, I personally find the front & rear a bit 'meh' but side on it's a quite nice.
Like many others I find it incredible he's spent £65k on a Hyundai; as does he! When did that happen? However, where else could you get that sort of performance & versatility at that price
I dumped a 2020 A8 for my EV6 GT, don't regret it for a second. The Audi was a 50k car with a 30k badge. I looked at all the Audis before I bought the Kia. None of them could touch it for tech or performance.As for looks, I personally find the front & rear a bit 'meh' but side on it's a quite nice.
Like many others I find it incredible he's spent £65k on a Hyundai; as does he! When did that happen? However, where else could you get that sort of performance & versatility at that price
Especially with so much of the Audi tech optional at extra cost or knobbled in the UK market.
Hare and tortoise springs to mind.
loudlashadjuster said:
Thanks for the feedback.
I think the dealers' nervousness is just because they are not used to dealing in faster machinery. Tesla were quite happy to chuck me a key (card?) to the new Model 3 Performance at the weekend.
It was fast and very competent, but I think the indicators would continue to drive me nuts.
How did you find the Tesla? I think it’s a more appealing daily than the 5N. The range and MaxPower looks of the Hyundai are a bit of a drawback for me. I think the dealers' nervousness is just because they are not used to dealing in faster machinery. Tesla were quite happy to chuck me a key (card?) to the new Model 3 Performance at the weekend.
It was fast and very competent, but I think the indicators would continue to drive me nuts.
JAMSXR said:
How did you find the Tesla? I think it’s a more appealing daily than the 5N. The range and MaxPower looks of the Hyundai are a bit of a drawback for me.
Well, on that front, the Performance looks pretty much like every other Model 3 so it is definitely more anonymous.Driving a Tesla, which I've only previously a couple of times for very short trips, is very unlike other cars.
Tesla hand you cars in a 'demo mode' with limited top speed (140 km/h) and some of the features were locked out, meaning I couldn't disable some of the bongs and assists that I would normally do, so it was quite frustrating and I spent a long time trying and failing to get it set up the way I would like. No doubt, if it was my own, this wouldn't be a problem.
Having to go to the screen for just about everything annoys, but a lot of that is a one-off thing when you get the car, or maybe a few times a year to tweak something so i doubt it would be too bad once you got used to it.
The indicators though are bloody annoying, no question. Potential deal-breaker.
It's rapid of course, and composed through corners, but I always try and test a car on roads I know well and there it was just a bit...anodyne. Nicer to thread through bends than a 2-tonne Audi diesel estate? Naturally. Better than a hyper-focused hot hatch? What do you think?
I have no doubt I'll prefer the Hyundai to drive, but in the end it may come down to availability and range
The Tesla is pretty much available from stock, not sure about the Hyundai yet.
As for range, the car would be used regularly for ~500 km daily round tips (2-3 per month). I can charge at home (11 kW) so most local journeys and 15 km each way commutes are covered no problem, but there is little chance of getting destination charging (this will get better, hopefully).
So, I would expect the Tesla (528 km WLTP, so maybe 430ish realistically) to need maybe a 10-20 minute top-up on the way back, but the Hyundai (448 km WLTP and I'm guessing 350ish realistically) is going to need a longer charge, even if it nominally has faster charging.
Thanks for the feedback.
I thoroughly enjoy my wife’s Model 3, so a performance version with a sorted chassis is an interesting proposition. It’s definitely on the list in a few years as a used buy. I’m okay with button indicators on motorcycles but it’s a bizarre (and somewhat unsurprising) move from Tesla.
Already there are quite a few 5Ns on Auto Trader with discounts. You’ve got to have money to burn to purchase one of these privately (like any new EV/car).
I thoroughly enjoy my wife’s Model 3, so a performance version with a sorted chassis is an interesting proposition. It’s definitely on the list in a few years as a used buy. I’m okay with button indicators on motorcycles but it’s a bizarre (and somewhat unsurprising) move from Tesla.
Already there are quite a few 5Ns on Auto Trader with discounts. You’ve got to have money to burn to purchase one of these privately (like any new EV/car).
Edited by JAMSXR on Monday 6th May 21:57
Great video on YouTube by Throttle House on the Ioniq 5N.
Very balanced and think the conclusion at the end is spot on.
https://youtu.be/JVwfEOh0KBI?si=2zQnbnkKvZn_p1FR
Very balanced and think the conclusion at the end is spot on.
https://youtu.be/JVwfEOh0KBI?si=2zQnbnkKvZn_p1FR
te dealer though. 740EVTORQUES said:
What were the problems with KIA and Hyundai?
I’ve never had any issues so curious to know.
The Kia broke down with a failed coolant pump the day it was delivered. The pump was “in UK stock” the same day but was still nowhere to be seen 10 days later. “Being fitted right now” meant car parked right where it had been for 10 days without even being powered on.I’ve never had any issues so curious to know.
They woke up when I gave them 48hrs to deliver it back to me fixed or refund me £65k and try to resell it second hand.
A 12V Battery so lame it goes flat most every night. They put a meter on it after charging it and it reads 12V so it must be OK. That takes a week! Fingers in ears when I point out that 12v for a freshly charged battery means it’s knackered. I lay out for a new one, problem solved.
Then “Zombie Mode”. Still not fixed. Months of lies such as “we’ve never heard of it”, weeks in dealers being left in a car park untouched and then returned unfixed. Now it turns out they have heard of it, they know all about it and there is a software fix but Kia customer services (a third party call answering service) are told to deny any known problems to protect the brand. Then I find the fix is already applied on my late 23 car, but the fix doesn’t fix it. Now I’m getting radio silence from them while they dream up how to get rid of me again, short of actually fixing the problem, or at least proposing some kind of plan to fix it.
Nice car, very fast, handles great, looks good, avoid it like the plague because if you have problems you’re on your own.
740EVTORQUES said:
That sounds bad.
For balance I bought an EV6 GT new, delivered Jan 2023, one of the first off the boat. It’s done 18,000 miles and not a single issue.
It’s not the minor problems with the car, cars can go wrong, that happens. It’s the failure to deal with the problems, the lies, the denial, stonewalling, unreturned calls, ignored emails, weeks without a car (“your Kia warranty does not include a loan vehicle”) and weeks of inactivity while being lied to, your not working on it, it hasn’t even been unlocked for a week! Then “send us a video of the problem”, which is never opened by anyone..For balance I bought an EV6 GT new, delivered Jan 2023, one of the first off the boat. It’s done 18,000 miles and not a single issue.
I hope your luck holds out and you never have the pleasure of dealing with them. I thought Audi were a shower but honestly, they were a shining beacon of excellence next to Kia.
fatjon said:
It’s not the minor problems with the car, cars can go wrong, that happens. It’s the failure to deal with the problems, the lies, the denial, stonewalling, unreturned calls, ignored emails, weeks without a car (“your Kia warranty does not include a loan vehicle”) and weeks of inactivity while being lied to, your not working on it, it hasn’t even been unlocked for a week! Then “send us a video of the problem”, which is never opened by anyone..
I hope your luck holds out and you never have the pleasure of dealing with them. I thought Audi were a shower but honestly, they were a shining beacon of excellence next to Kia.
They haven't improved then. Had a friend who ran one of the early Ceed estates as a company car about 13-14 years ago. Compared with his previous Octavia 1.9 TDI estate it started to fall apart rapidly when he put miles on it (he covered about 40K a year of hard driving as an Alarm Engineer for Chubb) and every trip to Kia saw them trying to weasel out of warranty claims...I hope your luck holds out and you never have the pleasure of dealing with them. I thought Audi were a shower but honestly, they were a shining beacon of excellence next to Kia.
fatjon said:
It’s not the minor problems with the car, cars can go wrong, that happens. It’s the failure to deal with the problems, the lies, the denial, stonewalling, unreturned calls, ignored emails, weeks without a car (“your Kia warranty does not include a loan vehicle”) and weeks of inactivity while being lied to, your not working on it, it hasn’t even been unlocked for a week! Then “send us a video of the problem”, which is never opened by anyone..
I hope your luck holds out and you never have the pleasure of dealing with them. I thought Audi were a shower but honestly, they were a shining beacon of excellence next to Kia.
Doesn't sound like the issue is directly with Kia but with the dealer. My Kia dealer is the best franchised dealer I have experienced for 25 years by quite a margin for sales, servicing and warranty although we haven't had much warranty work in 3 years, touch wood. Just a slightly protruding fuel cap (weird) that was fixed on the spot.I hope your luck holds out and you never have the pleasure of dealing with them. I thought Audi were a shower but honestly, they were a shining beacon of excellence next to Kia.
nickfrog said:
Doesn't sound like the issue is directly with Kia but with the dealer. My Kia dealer is the best franchised dealer I have experienced for 25 years by quite a margin for sales, servicing and warranty although we haven't had much warranty work in 3 years, touch wood. Just a slightly protruding fuel cap (weird) that was fixed on the spot.
3 faults right off the boat from Kia sounds to me like a problem with Kia.A customer services company appointed by Kia to lie to and obstruct customers sounds like a Kia problem.
Each of the problems (not) dealt with by 3 separate equally useless and dishonest Kia dealers, also sounds like a Kia problem.
Kia failing to own or deal with any of the problems also sounds like a Kia problem to me.
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