EVs... no one wants them!
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Fastdruid said:
Lets check this.
Worst energy rating 75in TV at Currys is this G rated. https://www.currys.co.uk/products/hisense-75a6ktuk...
Worst case power usage in HDR mode 210W, run it for 24h = ~5kWh
Run that all year round and you get a grand sum of 1840kWh
Onto the Car, most EV's will manage between 3 and 4 miles per kWh.... which means that for 1840kWh you have between 5518Mi and 7358Mi.
Close but no, it won't consume more.
This link shows the Hisense has a maximum power consumption of 350W.Worst energy rating 75in TV at Currys is this G rated. https://www.currys.co.uk/products/hisense-75a6ktuk...
Worst case power usage in HDR mode 210W, run it for 24h = ~5kWh
Run that all year round and you get a grand sum of 1840kWh
Onto the Car, most EV's will manage between 3 and 4 miles per kWh.... which means that for 1840kWh you have between 5518Mi and 7358Mi.
Close but no, it won't consume more.
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model-pow...
Would it be fair to say you thought I made it up and was grossly overstating it for effect?
In my experience, people new to EVs will tend to grossly overestimate how much electricity they actually consume, what with being the many-ton road-ripping devil-incarnate leviathans that they are.
M4cruiser said:
raspy said:
Random risks exist with used petrol cars and huge bills!
I haven't had a major component failure in my Japanese boring cars for a few decades now. Nor in my partner's various econo-boxes, except the Renault.I see that Renault are now grouped with Nissan and Mitsubishi, which must be bad news for Nissan and Mitsubishi.
It's not a new thing.
PBCD said:
tamore said:
raspy said:
Until CATL can offer a battery that has a real world range of at least 1,000 miles at autobahn speeds in a car that will cost less than a 10 year old mondeo, I think that many people on here will never want to get an EV.
towing a challenger tank 
1. Cars that are affordable for the majority.
2. Cars that are as convenient to run as ICE cars (which means cars with a decent range and which are easy and quick to recharge when required).
And for many people EV's are there already - if you're relatively affluent (and can afford the purchase or lease cost), can charge at home and don't regularly do a high daily mileage (say over 200 miles) there are EV's which will work fine as a daily driver. But a lot of people aren't in that situation and until EV's become more affordable and convenient for them then (IMHO) take-up will continue to be slow.
And as in my view the reasons for that slow take-up are (at the moment) valid rather than spurious and I don't really think comments like the ones above do anything to help the debate. There might be the odd hard-liner on here who would never have an EV regardless but (IMHO) they're not representative of the driving population as a whole!
JNW1 said:
PBCD said:
tamore said:
raspy said:
Until CATL can offer a battery that has a real world range of at least 1,000 miles at autobahn speeds in a car that will cost less than a 10 year old mondeo, I think that many people on here will never want to get an EV.
towing a challenger tank 1. Cars that are affordable for the majority.
2. Cars that are as convenient to run as ICE cars (which means cars with a decent range and which are easy and quick to recharge when required).
And for many people EV's are there already - if you're relatively affluent (and can afford the purchase or lease cost), can charge at home and don't regularly do a high daily mileage (say over 200 miles) there are EV's which will work fine as a daily driver. But a lot of people aren't in that situation and until EV's become more affordable and convenient for them then (IMHO) take-up will continue to be slow.
And as in my view the reasons for that slow take-up are (at the moment) valid rather than spurious and I don't really think comments like the ones above do anything to help the debate. There might be the odd hard-liner on here who would never have an EV regardless but (IMHO) they're not representative of the driving population as a whole!
The only part where I would differ, but only very marginally, is the part in point 2 " as convenient to run as ICE cars" I think the situation is better than that as my feeling is that people are prepared for some compromise and to adjust behaviours and habits. Where those compromises and adjustments are too much for the particular case that's when resistance arises. When those issues are treated with condescension then bloody mindedness can enter the room, which is unhelpful to everyone.
Another good reason to wait a few years. If the tech does filter down and smaller, cheaper cars benefit from it then the old EVs will be worthless.
There’s a time to switch, right now doesn’t seem to be it. It’s an easy concept many of the EV only evangelists on here can’t seem to grasp. There really is no reason to rush in just yet.
There’s a time to switch, right now doesn’t seem to be it. It’s an easy concept many of the EV only evangelists on here can’t seem to grasp. There really is no reason to rush in just yet.
JNW1 said:
IMO the widespread adoption of EV's needs two things:
1. Cars that are affordable for the majority.
Do you think there's that much of a dichotomy here between EVs and ICE/PHEV?1. Cars that are affordable for the majority.
The Ford Focus (arguably the 'council estate' car of choice, for stereotypes) starts at £28,500 now. Is that any more unaffordable than the equivalent EVs these days?
cj2013 said:
JNW1 said:
IMO the widespread adoption of EV's needs two things:
1. Cars that are affordable for the majority.
Do you think there's that much of a dichotomy here between EVs and ICE/PHEV?1. Cars that are affordable for the majority.
The Ford Focus (arguably the 'council estate' car of choice, for stereotypes) starts at £28,500 now. Is that any more unaffordable than the equivalent EVs these days?
cj2013 said:
Do you think there's that much of a dichotomy here between EVs and ICE/PHEV?
The Ford Focus (arguably the 'council estate' car of choice, for stereotypes) starts at £28,500 now. Is that any more unaffordable than the equivalent EVs these days?
Keep up. You’ll only find BMWs and Mercedes on council estates these days. The Ford Focus (arguably the 'council estate' car of choice, for stereotypes) starts at £28,500 now. Is that any more unaffordable than the equivalent EVs these days?
Rusty Old-Banger said:
The majority are not buying brand new cars. A ten year old focus will still have ten years of life in it, and will cost what, 3 grand for a sub 100k car? A £5k (used) family-sized EV is not available yet.
It's an irrelevant point then, as the only change we're talking about is chronological.But that is the issue - people seem to have a grip about new technology being unsuitable because it is new technology. There's no magic formula yet to make new EVs cost the same as an out of warranty ICE expect for - like anything else in consumerism - mass uptake.
The main issue with ICE is that they have always bucked the trend of getting cheaper - the cost of ICE has always been an upward slope. So, any change in trend with BEV is absolutely that of something postive.
High public charging costs are a big barrier IMO. The rates soared when electricity prices went up, but haven’t yet come down.
Tesla manage to do under 50p per kw/h even for non-Tesla charging at their superchargers, why can’t the others. That’s a market which needs disruption.
Our local supermarket is 98p for a lousy 50kw charger. It is a Waitrose mind you, premium middle class electricity no doubt
Tesla manage to do under 50p per kw/h even for non-Tesla charging at their superchargers, why can’t the others. That’s a market which needs disruption.
Our local supermarket is 98p for a lousy 50kw charger. It is a Waitrose mind you, premium middle class electricity no doubt
Edited by charltjr on Monday 6th May 11:36
charltjr said:
High public charging costs are a big barrier IMO. The rates soared when electricity prices went up, but haven’t yet come down.
Tesla manage to do under 50p per kw/h even for non-Tesla charging at their superchargers, why can’t the others. That’s a market which needs disruption.
Our local supermarket is 98p for a lousy 50kw charger. It is a Waitrose mind you, premium middle class electricity no doubt ??
this is absolutely bang on. the charger owners must have already made their capital outlay back at those rates. needs regulating, but like everything else there is none. profiteering is rife in all sectors and it needs controlling somehowTesla manage to do under 50p per kw/h even for non-Tesla charging at their superchargers, why can’t the others. That’s a market which needs disruption.
Our local supermarket is 98p for a lousy 50kw charger. It is a Waitrose mind you, premium middle class electricity no doubt ??
charltjr said:
High public charging costs are a big barrier IMO. The rates soared when electricity prices went up, but haven’t yet come down.
Tesla manage to do under 50p per kw/h even for non-Tesla charging at their superchargers, why can’t the others. That’s a market which needs disruption.
Our local supermarket is 98p for a lousy 50kw charger. It is a Waitrose mind you, premium middle class electricity no doubt
Organic heritage electrons, sustainably sourced from approved generators. Tesla manage to do under 50p per kw/h even for non-Tesla charging at their superchargers, why can’t the others. That’s a market which needs disruption.
Our local supermarket is 98p for a lousy 50kw charger. It is a Waitrose mind you, premium middle class electricity no doubt
Edited by charltjr on Monday 6th May 11:36
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