Discussion
Johno said:
Engine regs are to reduce top speeds, as they’re outgrowing the circuits again.
However, potentially faster corner speeds with shorter braking zones only mean the top speed headlines are lower, the real risks remain the same/higher.
They'd be better off with worse tyres really. However, potentially faster corner speeds with shorter braking zones only mean the top speed headlines are lower, the real risks remain the same/higher.
FourWheelDrift said:
Turn7 said:
Whats with the sharing of GPS data ?
A way of letting teams know where the other riders are so they can go out into some empty track, or avoid known tailgaters?Marquezs Stabilisers said:
bolidemichael said:
I had a few years in MotoGP wilderness... can someone give me a tldr on Morbidelli?
Did well during COVID when development was static with fewer engineers going to and from rounds. Once development started up again he started to go backwards, and didn't cope well with being moved from the environment at Petronas to Factory Yamaha when Maverick Vinales was fired. Also, he ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) in his knee in training and had surgery. Your ACL provides stability across the knee joint and although it's usually repaired with a hamstring graft. You don't always get the same amount of stability back - I didn't in mine and my surgeon also had the contract to do players at Chelsea for an example. It is possible he has lost some strength on that side when at full lean and is being held up accordingly.
-Pete- said:
think I read that It's shared after the race, so it must be so they can see what lines they take, braking distances, acceleration out of corners etc. Is GPS really that precise nowadays?... I suppose it must be.
GPS has been sub 2cm accuracy for years. We were using that level of accuracy on farms 15 years ago, you just need to "correct" the signal with a known point, which is what the base station does. srob said:
Wonder if Moto2 will stay at 765cc?
Seems a bit close to the 2027 big class albeit obviously a more ‘production’ (controlled) engine across the class.
Depends on who goes for the engine contract next. Given the popularity of mid size parallel twins globally I can see Moto2 getting smaller in time. Seems a bit close to the 2027 big class albeit obviously a more ‘production’ (controlled) engine across the class.
Also, the stroke is staying the same in MotoGP - partly to help development costs - but that they should then see the ability to run 'leaner burn' engines which is actually useful in the bigger picture. As the power deficit should be more at the top end than the middle it may mean bikes can pick up off the corner hard, but still put the power down to spin the rear. Also, the lack of ride height devices will change how the bikes drive off the corner too...
m surprised it has changed from 1,000cc (well not surprised as it has been well flagged).That has been one of the consistent links between the Moto GP bikes and the road bikes. I know I know, F1 car's aren't like road cars...
Rev limits, less aero, less electronics, longer lasting tyres, would been preferable to me. Having said all of that I haven't a clue really.
Rev limits, less aero, less electronics, longer lasting tyres, would been preferable to me. Having said all of that I haven't a clue really.
The 800 era wasn't great for spectators and I'm worried that we may return to that. Aero/ride height/launch devices have all come along and must be hugely expensive to develop so lesser teams don't have the budget or resource to be competitive.
I think the speeds are probably one of the factors to reduce cc again, the tracks aren't changing so run off becomes an issue/safety etc. I think we've generally been lucky for a good few years in terms of fatalities within our sport generally, but there have been some huge/monumental crashes over the years, somehow we've dodged a bullet.
Aero = horsepower = speed, so I think it's good to reduce cc thus power and limit aero, but will that mean better racing?
My worry is what is the point say for Honda and Yamaha to invest any money in the 2025 and 2026 seasons, in fact why would any team really start spending millions when they have to develop a new bike, engine, chassis from the ground up for 2027. We could have the next two seasons being pretty much the same in terms of bikes, teams etc, with rider moves being the only real thing that changes.
2027 it's all up for grabs, will Dorna/LM reduce the number of Ducati slots, will BMW come to play, will KTM try and get MV on the grid?
I think the speeds are probably one of the factors to reduce cc again, the tracks aren't changing so run off becomes an issue/safety etc. I think we've generally been lucky for a good few years in terms of fatalities within our sport generally, but there have been some huge/monumental crashes over the years, somehow we've dodged a bullet.
Aero = horsepower = speed, so I think it's good to reduce cc thus power and limit aero, but will that mean better racing?
My worry is what is the point say for Honda and Yamaha to invest any money in the 2025 and 2026 seasons, in fact why would any team really start spending millions when they have to develop a new bike, engine, chassis from the ground up for 2027. We could have the next two seasons being pretty much the same in terms of bikes, teams etc, with rider moves being the only real thing that changes.
2027 it's all up for grabs, will Dorna/LM reduce the number of Ducati slots, will BMW come to play, will KTM try and get MV on the grid?
lukeyman said:
We're going to ban ride height devices for safety reasons. But not for another two years... Knock yourself out.
It’s interesting if they’ve stated it like that. I’d guess that Dorna have tried to discuss removing them earlier but have been blocked. The only way the can change tech regs is if it is a safety issue - without the consensus agreement normally. Sp stating it like this, which clearly looks odd may be them reinforcing a position. They’re not stupid, they must realise that it looks ridiculous to state it like that and then wait 2.5 seasons.Let’s hope we don’t get a 1st corner pile up with serious consequences before they all see sense,
Johno said:
It’s interesting if they’ve stated it like that. I’d guess that Dorna have tried to discuss removing them earlier but have been blocked. The only way the can change tech regs is if it is a safety issue - without the consensus agreement normally. Sp stating it like this, which clearly looks odd may be them reinforcing a position. They’re not stupid, they must realise that it looks ridiculous to state it like that and then wait 2.5 seasons.
Let’s hope we don’t get a 1st corner pile up with serious consequences before they all see sense,
Possibly looks like the manufacturers digging their heels in, doesn't it? The only way it makes sense otherwise is that they think they are safe now but bikes will be so much faster by then that they don't be safe by that time...which let's be honest we all know it isn't. Let’s hope we don’t get a 1st corner pile up with serious consequences before they all see sense,
Marquezs Stabilisers said:
Possibly looks like the manufacturers digging their heels in, doesn't it? The only way it makes sense otherwise is that they think they are safe now but bikes will be so much faster by then that they don't be safe by that time...which let's be honest we all know it isn't.
Absolutely. There is clearly a disparity between how well some systems perform versus others. Hence, if you're a manufacturer with the better system you're not prepared to give it up. Especially when qualifying and getting to the front group as quickly as possible is essential in today's racing.I wonder what the riders would choose, to keep or not....
Johno said:
Marquezs Stabilisers said:
Possibly looks like the manufacturers digging their heels in, doesn't it? The only way it makes sense otherwise is that they think they are safe now but bikes will be so much faster by then that they don't be safe by that time...which let's be honest we all know it isn't.
Absolutely. There is clearly a disparity between how well some systems perform versus others. Hence, if you're a manufacturer with the better system you're not prepared to give it up. Especially when qualifying and getting to the front group as quickly as possible is essential in today's racing.I wonder what the riders would choose, to keep or not....
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