Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)
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My question would be more to do with human psychology.
Why did acid rain and the ozone hole have no push back from the general public after being described by scientists? Yet climate change has? All 3 are ongoing issues with new data still being gathered, although you probably don't hear about acid rain too much nowadays.
Is it just due to effecting someone's pocket, money wise ?
Why did acid rain and the ozone hole have no push back from the general public after being described by scientists? Yet climate change has? All 3 are ongoing issues with new data still being gathered, although you probably don't hear about acid rain too much nowadays.
Is it just due to effecting someone's pocket, money wise ?
Edited by Clive Milk on Thursday 25th February 22:48
Clive Milk said:
My question would be more to do with human psychology.
Why did acid rain and the ozone hole have no push back from the general public after being described by scientists? Yet climate change has? All 3 are ongoing issues with new data still being gathered, although you probably don't hear about acid rain too much nowadays.
Is it just due to effecting someone's pocket, money wise ?
Maybe we are learning Why did acid rain and the ozone hole have no push back from the general public after being described by scientists? Yet climate change has? All 3 are ongoing issues with new data still being gathered, although you probably don't hear about acid rain too much nowadays.
Is it just due to effecting someone's pocket, money wise ?
Edited by Clive Milk on Thursday 25th February 22:48
https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/new...
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Edited by mybrainhurts on Wednesday 31st March 16:45
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to oberve meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
If true, that's a bomb rather than spanner!"We started to oberve meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Excellent find. Presumably the good professor and hands-on-in-the-field ice core expert, Jørgen Peder Steffensen, therefore agrees that AGW is thus holed below the water line."We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Does he?
I’ll give you a clue...
But he is concerned that human activities could be “tipping the climate into an intermediate period of climate changes…. We can face a climate change that happens just as fast as the financial crisis,” Steffensen says. In that case, agricultural activity worldwide could be adversely affected … “the weather will change, and it will not change back” quickly.
“We don’t know where the threshold is,” Steffensen says of the ongoing human “experiment” with climate change. “But we are rats inside the experiment.”
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2017/10/humans-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKR3e0fhiKQ
Gadgetmac said:
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Excellent find. Presumably the good professor and hands-on-in-the-field ice core expert, Jørgen Peder Steffensen, therefore agrees that AGW is thus holed below the water line."We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Does he?
I’ll give you a clue...
But he is concerned that human activities could be “tipping the climate into an intermediate period of climate changes…. We can face a climate change that happens just as fast as the financial crisis,” Steffensen says. In that case, agricultural activity worldwide could be adversely affected … “the weather will change, and it will not change back” quickly.
“We don’t know where the threshold is,” Steffensen says of the ongoing human “experiment” with climate change. “But we are rats inside the experiment.”
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2017/10/humans-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKR3e0fhiKQ
I'll give you clue...
Those were 2017
This is 2021.
jshell said:
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to oberve meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
If true, that's a bomb rather than spanner!"We started to oberve meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
mybrainhurts said:
Gadgetmac said:
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Excellent find. Presumably the good professor and hands-on-in-the-field ice core expert, Jørgen Peder Steffensen, therefore agrees that AGW is thus holed below the water line."We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Does he?
I’ll give you a clue...
But he is concerned that human activities could be “tipping the climate into an intermediate period of climate changes…. We can face a climate change that happens just as fast as the financial crisis,” Steffensen says. In that case, agricultural activity worldwide could be adversely affected … “the weather will change, and it will not change back” quickly.
“We don’t know where the threshold is,” Steffensen says of the ongoing human “experiment” with climate change. “But we are rats inside the experiment.”
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2017/10/humans-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKR3e0fhiKQ
I'll give you clue...
Those were 2017
This is 2021.
The usual s
t show from the so-called sceptics.kerplunk said:
mybrainhurts said:
Gadgetmac said:
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Excellent find. Presumably the good professor and hands-on-in-the-field ice core expert, Jørgen Peder Steffensen, therefore agrees that AGW is thus holed below the water line."We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Does he?
I’ll give you a clue...
But he is concerned that human activities could be “tipping the climate into an intermediate period of climate changes…. We can face a climate change that happens just as fast as the financial crisis,” Steffensen says. In that case, agricultural activity worldwide could be adversely affected … “the weather will change, and it will not change back” quickly.
“We don’t know where the threshold is,” Steffensen says of the ongoing human “experiment” with climate change. “But we are rats inside the experiment.”
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2017/10/humans-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKR3e0fhiKQ
I'll give you clue...
Those were 2017
This is 2021.
The usual s
t show from the so-called sceptics. Of course the usual clowns fall for it time and time again.
Heller must make a mint out of his you tube videos.
Gadgetmac said:
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Excellent find. Presumably the good professor and hands-on-in-the-field ice core expert, Jørgen Peder Steffensen, therefore agrees that AGW is thus holed below the water line."We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Does he?
I’ll give you a clue...
But he is concerned that human activities could be “tipping the climate into an intermediate period of climate changes…. We can face a climate change that happens just as fast as the financial crisis,” Steffensen says. In that case, agricultural activity worldwide could be adversely affected … “the weather will change, and it will not change back” quickly.
“We don’t know where the threshold is,” Steffensen says of the ongoing human “experiment” with climate change. “But we are rats inside the experiment.”
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2017/10/humans-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKR3e0fhiKQ
Every scientists is aware of what happened to Peter Ridd in Australia, how many would want to experience unemployment and court case when they have families to support,
the science will remain settled until the grant scheme changes . Its a self perpetuating prophecy, science driven by politics..
PRTVR said:
Gadgetmac said:
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Excellent find. Presumably the good professor and hands-on-in-the-field ice core expert, Jørgen Peder Steffensen, therefore agrees that AGW is thus holed below the water line."We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Does he?
I’ll give you a clue...
But he is concerned that human activities could be “tipping the climate into an intermediate period of climate changes…. We can face a climate change that happens just as fast as the financial crisis,” Steffensen says. In that case, agricultural activity worldwide could be adversely affected … “the weather will change, and it will not change back” quickly.
“We don’t know where the threshold is,” Steffensen says of the ongoing human “experiment” with climate change. “But we are rats inside the experiment.”
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2017/10/humans-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKR3e0fhiKQ
Every scientists is aware of what happened to Peter Ridd in Australia, how many would want to experience unemployment and court case when they have families to support,
the science will remain settled until the grant scheme changes . Its a self perpetuating prophecy, science driven by politics..
Gadgetmac said:
PRTVR said:
Gadgetmac said:
mybrainhurts said:
Researchers throw a spanner in the works.
"We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Excellent find. Presumably the good professor and hands-on-in-the-field ice core expert, Jørgen Peder Steffensen, therefore agrees that AGW is thus holed below the water line."We started to observe meteorology at the coldest spot in the last 10,000 years..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW16LGVPfIc
edit 'cos spelly keyboard cockup. Carry on...
Does he?
I’ll give you a clue...
But he is concerned that human activities could be “tipping the climate into an intermediate period of climate changes…. We can face a climate change that happens just as fast as the financial crisis,” Steffensen says. In that case, agricultural activity worldwide could be adversely affected … “the weather will change, and it will not change back” quickly.
“We don’t know where the threshold is,” Steffensen says of the ongoing human “experiment” with climate change. “But we are rats inside the experiment.”
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2017/10/humans-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKR3e0fhiKQ
Every scientists is aware of what happened to Peter Ridd in Australia, how many would want to experience unemployment and court case when they have families to support,
the science will remain settled until the grant scheme changes . Its a self perpetuating prophecy, science driven by politics..
Are you a mod ? If not who gives you the right to dictate what can be written ?
My post related to the scientific grant scheme, part of the scientific process,
why does it matter to you ? Its almost as if you are trying to block debate.
If you feel so strongly about it there is a report button then let a mod decide.
PRTVR said:
Are you a mod ? If not who gives you the right to dictate what can be written ?
My post related to the scientific grant scheme, part of the scientific process,
why does it matter to you ? Its almost as if you are trying to block debate.
If you feel so strongly about it there is a report button then let a mod decide.
I gave you the chance to put your questions to one particular scientist - You could have asked him about his 'grant' whilst you were at it - but you declined to talk to him. Hey ho.
Gadgetmac said:
PRTVR said:
Are you a mod ? If not who gives you the right to dictate what can be written ?
My post related to the scientific grant scheme, part of the scientific process,
why does it matter to you ? Its almost as if you are trying to block debate.
If you feel so strongly about it there is a report button then let a mod decide.
I gave you the chance to put your questions to one particular scientist - You could have asked him about his 'grant' whilst you were at it - but you declined to talk to him. Hey ho.
do you not consider for one moment that some people find your posts tiresome ?
Can you not get use to the idea some people have a different view to yourself ?
PRTVR said:
Gadgetmac said:
PRTVR said:
Are you a mod ? If not who gives you the right to dictate what can be written ?
My post related to the scientific grant scheme, part of the scientific process,
why does it matter to you ? Its almost as if you are trying to block debate.
If you feel so strongly about it there is a report button then let a mod decide.
I gave you the chance to put your questions to one particular scientist - You could have asked him about his 'grant' whilst you were at it - but you declined to talk to him. Hey ho.
do you not consider for one moment that some people find your posts tiresome ?
Can you not get use to the idea some people have a different view to yourself?
Here’s a novel idea regarding the bit in bold....have a different view about the science on here with something of merit we can discuss and take the rest to the appropriate other thread.
PRTVR said:
Are you a mod ? If not who gives you the right to dictate what can be written ?
My post related to the scientific grant scheme, part of the scientific process,
why does it matter to you ? Its almost as if you are trying to block debate.
If you feel so strongly about it there is a report button then let a mod decide.
Here’s one of 9 papers released in just the last 24 hours concerning AGW and its effects/possible consequences. Yes, this one REALLY is from 2021.
Evidence of Antarctic glacier's tipping point confirmed for first time
https://phys.org/news/2021-04-evidence-antarctic-g...
Extract:
Researchers have confirmed for the first time that Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica could cross tipping points, leading to a rapid and irreversible retreat which would have significant consequences for global sea level.
Pine Island Glacier is a region of fast-flowing ice draining an area of West Antarctica approximately two thirds the size of the UK. The glacier is a particular cause for concern as it is losing more ice than any other glacier in Antarctica.
Currently, Pine Island Glacier together with its neighbouring Thwaites glacier are responsible for about 10% of the ongoing increase in global sea level.
Scientists have argued for some time that this region of Antarctica could reach a tipping point and undergo an irreversible retreat from which it could not recover. Such a retreat, once started, could lead to the collapse of the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which contains enough ice to raise global sea level by over three metres.
While the general possibility of such a tipping point within ice sheets has been raised before, showing that Pine Island Glacier has the potential to enter unstable retreat is a very different question.
Now, researchers from Northumbria University have shown, for the first time, that this is indeed the case.
Their findings are published in leading journal, The Cryosphere.
Evidence of Antarctic glacier's tipping point confirmed for first time
https://phys.org/news/2021-04-evidence-antarctic-g...
Extract:
Researchers have confirmed for the first time that Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica could cross tipping points, leading to a rapid and irreversible retreat which would have significant consequences for global sea level.
Pine Island Glacier is a region of fast-flowing ice draining an area of West Antarctica approximately two thirds the size of the UK. The glacier is a particular cause for concern as it is losing more ice than any other glacier in Antarctica.
Currently, Pine Island Glacier together with its neighbouring Thwaites glacier are responsible for about 10% of the ongoing increase in global sea level.
Scientists have argued for some time that this region of Antarctica could reach a tipping point and undergo an irreversible retreat from which it could not recover. Such a retreat, once started, could lead to the collapse of the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which contains enough ice to raise global sea level by over three metres.
While the general possibility of such a tipping point within ice sheets has been raised before, showing that Pine Island Glacier has the potential to enter unstable retreat is a very different question.
Now, researchers from Northumbria University have shown, for the first time, that this is indeed the case.
Their findings are published in leading journal, The Cryosphere.
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