New engine or new car? Help please!
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Hi chaps, I'm in a bit of a pickle and after some help/advice please.
On Tuesday, I picked up a late 2013 Disco 4 SDV6 with 41k miles from a main dealer. It was fantastic for 25 miles then it started making horrendous noises. Long story short, it was recovered back to the main dealer yesterday morning. I had a call in the afternoon to say the crankshaft had snapped and it needs a new engine.
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
On Tuesday, I picked up a late 2013 Disco 4 SDV6 with 41k miles from a main dealer. It was fantastic for 25 miles then it started making horrendous noises. Long story short, it was recovered back to the main dealer yesterday morning. I had a call in the afternoon to say the crankshaft had snapped and it needs a new engine.
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
Hi chaps, I'm in a bit of a pickle and after some help/advice please.
On Tuesday, I picked up a late 2013 Disco 4 SDV6 with 41k miles from a main dealer. It was fantastic for 25 miles then it started making horrendous noises. Long story short, it was recovered back to the main dealer yesterday morning. I had a call in the afternoon to say the crankshaft had snapped and it needs a new engine.
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
On Tuesday, I picked up a late 2013 Disco 4 SDV6 with 41k miles from a main dealer. It was fantastic for 25 miles then it started making horrendous noises. Long story short, it was recovered back to the main dealer yesterday morning. I had a call in the afternoon to say the crankshaft had snapped and it needs a new engine.
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
Hi chaps, I'm in a bit of a pickle and after some help/advice please.
I do have a Chim so I know you're a helpful bunch, but this is not TVR related, sorry.
On Tuesday, I picked up a late 2013 Disco 4 SDV6 with 41k miles from a main dealer. It was fantastic for 25 miles then it started making horrendous noises. Long story short, it was recovered back to the main dealer yesterday morning. I had a call in the afternoon to say the crankshaft had snapped and it needs a new engine.
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
I do have a Chim so I know you're a helpful bunch, but this is not TVR related, sorry.
On Tuesday, I picked up a late 2013 Disco 4 SDV6 with 41k miles from a main dealer. It was fantastic for 25 miles then it started making horrendous noises. Long story short, it was recovered back to the main dealer yesterday morning. I had a call in the afternoon to say the crankshaft had snapped and it needs a new engine.
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
They probably will use the existing ancillaries, but as these are the ones you bought anyway, and they should be fine at that age / mileage, then I wouldn't worry about it.
Body off (or at least a body lift) is common on those as you have to do it to carry out a major service correctly. I expect the dealer will have done it plenty of times and I wouldn't be too concerned.
My question would be is it a "new engine". If they are going to fit a brand new block and crank, I would stick with that car. The engine at least will be zero mileage, so shouldn't give you any problems the rest of the time you own it. If they are going to stick in a second hand engine I would want to know its provenance, what it came out of, its service history and mileage etc.
I would also ask how long it will take and whether you will have a courtesy car for this time?
Body off (or at least a body lift) is common on those as you have to do it to carry out a major service correctly. I expect the dealer will have done it plenty of times and I wouldn't be too concerned.
My question would be is it a "new engine". If they are going to fit a brand new block and crank, I would stick with that car. The engine at least will be zero mileage, so shouldn't give you any problems the rest of the time you own it. If they are going to stick in a second hand engine I would want to know its provenance, what it came out of, its service history and mileage etc.
I would also ask how long it will take and whether you will have a courtesy car for this time?
Thanks folks.
The new engine as I understand it would be a brand new crate motor not second hand and not reconditioned. They have already offered a courtesy car but I declined for now - if it's going to take weeks, I'll definitely take one.
I've found a 2015 car with 28k miles within their dealership network, up for £6k more than I paid for mine but is a similar spec. Is it completely unreasonable of me to ask them to swap the cars and meet me halfway on the difference?
The new engine as I understand it would be a brand new crate motor not second hand and not reconditioned. They have already offered a courtesy car but I declined for now - if it's going to take weeks, I'll definitely take one.
I've found a 2015 car with 28k miles within their dealership network, up for £6k more than I paid for mine but is a similar spec. Is it completely unreasonable of me to ask them to swap the cars and meet me halfway on the difference?
FastRich said:
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
You know the answer, new short block with everything salvageable from the old engine bolted back on.I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
As has already been said, get a refund, buy a different brand and be thankful this didn't happen out of warranty.
A brand new crate engine
Suggests very good customer care so still worth a long hard think.
If it’s going to take weeks there’s a fair cost for courtesy car so go for a straight swap on the better vehicle and see if they’d agree. Start low and all that!
New engine though,,,,, that’s a heck of a tempter
Suggests very good customer care so still worth a long hard think.
If it’s going to take weeks there’s a fair cost for courtesy car so go for a straight swap on the better vehicle and see if they’d agree. Start low and all that!
New engine though,,,,, that’s a heck of a tempter
TwinKam said:
Get your money back and look for something sensible; these are renowned for being nothing but costly trouble.
Many would say the same about TVR's; horror stories travel further and are more highly inflated than positive stories. I agree the early Disco's seem to have had many issues but the later ones generally gave a good rep, besides with a 2 year warranty and 2 year recovery, any issues shouldn't cost anything but inconvenience.I've spoken to the dealer who have confirmed the engine will have the old ancillaries swapped over as was expected. I mentioned a potential swap/deal regards the other car, we'll wait to see what they come back with.
Thanks for your input folks, it's really appreciated.
FastRich said:
Hi chaps, I'm in a bit of a pickle and after some help/advice please.
On Tuesday, I picked up a late 2013 Disco 4 SDV6 with 41k miles from a main dealer. It was fantastic for 25 miles then it started making horrendous noises. Long story short, it was recovered back to the main dealer yesterday morning. I had a call in the afternoon to say the crankshaft had snapped and it needs a new engine.
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
LR are fairly well versed in recon engines for snapped cranks. That probabaly isn't what you want to hear. On Tuesday, I picked up a late 2013 Disco 4 SDV6 with 41k miles from a main dealer. It was fantastic for 25 miles then it started making horrendous noises. Long story short, it was recovered back to the main dealer yesterday morning. I had a call in the afternoon to say the crankshaft had snapped and it needs a new engine.
Now, I can simply reject the car and get a full refund or ask them to find me a suitable alternative or they have offered to replace the engine under warranty.
I need to have a discussion with the dealer to ascertain exactly what "new engine" means - does it include new ancillaries eg turbo's, belt tensioners, water pump etc or will they save money by swapping all the old stuff onto a new block? (likely). I'm also concerned because it's quite a big job - body off etc - how many nuts, bolts & screws will be left over once the job is "complete". I don't want to keep suffering the inconvenience of further issues, breakdowns and rattles as a result of the work but would a car with a new engine potentially be more reliable than an identical 40k mile car with a 40k mile engine?
What would you do? Thanks, Richard
The usual coarse would be to swap the ancillaries over to the new engine and these would include turbos (Two on that engine I think) , manifolds, alternator and a few other items.
New engine will be block, internals and heads (at a guess). You don't really have a case for them replacing anything else.
As for left over bolts. You have no way to control that.
Body off does give some options for preventative maintenance and that should include anti roll bar bushes and a good inspection of the brake lines. These jobs are easier with the body off.
FastRich said:
TwinKam said:
Get your money back and look for something sensible; these are renowned for being nothing but costly trouble.
Many would say the same about TVR's; horror stories travel further and are more highly inflated than positive stories. I agree the early Disco's seem to have had many issues but the later ones generally gave a good rep, besides with a 2 year warranty and 2 year recovery, any issues shouldn't cost anything but inconvenience.I've spoken to the dealer who have confirmed the engine will have the old ancillaries swapped over as was expected. I mentioned a potential swap/deal regards the other car, we'll wait to see what they come back with.
Thanks for your input folks, it's really appreciated.
What we see every day in the trade is real, not rumour, you see patterns emerge and form opinions from those. Any car that has to have a body off for engine work (and some drivetrain work) is clearly extremely poor design. Peek into a LR dealers workshop and you'll see rows of them, all lined up, with bodies up in the air and chassis on the floor. Bonkers.
And it's a diesel!
Edited by TwinKam on Thursday 15th March 14:10
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