Roger Albert Clark Rally 2023

Roger Albert Clark Rally 2023

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classicfred

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395 posts

85 months

Monday 20th March 2023
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shaunroche

211 posts

154 months

Monday 20th March 2023
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Question - Is the RAC website the most poorly designed on the 'net?

After clicking on that link and going to that Website, where exactly is the entry list? Does it actually give me the dates of the Rally even?

I mean, would it be so hard to make it look like a 21st century website or actually allow it to be informative. If it's obvious and I've gone all Helen Keller then fair enough.....

Just curious.


Edited by shaunroche on Monday 20th March 10:24

classicfred

Original Poster:

395 posts

85 months

Monday 20th March 2023
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Scroll down under the pictures - click on unseeded entry list published 19th March.

If you then click on regulations, it will give dates which are November 23rd to 27th.

Latest News give some route info but route will be published 30th March - click on route information.

Some info also here ;

https://www.facebook.com/RogerAlbertClark/?locale=...

https://www.britishrally.co.uk ( you need to register I think ) .



Edited by classicfred on Monday 20th March 16:01

ArnageWRC

2,188 posts

167 months

Monday 20th March 2023
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I'm not sure about signing up to British Rally forum; there's some right dinosaurs on there.....Any talk of improving the sport, and modernity is met with disgust.

bloomen

7,488 posts

167 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Good on 'em for keeping it going all these years. It must be a brute of a task.

126 out of 187 cars are Mk1 or 2 Escorts.

I do fo course get it. I'd still offer discounted entry to anyone not in another Escort.

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

54 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Lol Arnage, I think some of them are on here too!

ArnageWRC

2,188 posts

167 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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Provisional route announced - just the final 3 stages TBA. Which may run as one long stage.....

http://racrmc.org/roger-albert-clark-rally/route


andy97

4,742 posts

230 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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LukeBrown66 said:
Lol Arnage, I think some of them are on here too!
Yes, me, but I am one of those trying to talk up change.

andy97

4,742 posts

230 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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bloomen said:
Good on 'em for keeping it going all these years. It must be a brute of a task.

126 out of 187 cars are Mk1 or 2 Escorts.

I do fo course get it. I'd still offer discounted entry to anyone not in another Escort.
The reason is, of course, like MGBs you can get absolutely everything for a Mk1 or 2 Escort from complete shells to an updated alternator, whether looking for bits for a “historic spec” car or a “modern spec” one. It’s just easy to keep them going.
Just not sure whether it’s the same in, say, Italy, for a 131 or an Alfetta GTV or in France for a Renault 5 or Alpine 110 or in Germany for a BMW 2002 or Golf GTi.

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

54 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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There a few interesting entries in other cars, Elliott in the 131, Julian Reynolds I think in a Sunbeam a few decent 911's de Mevius in the 240RS, wish he would bring the Pig back!

Also heard a rumour Dayydd might be one of the TBA stages!!

LastPoster

2,732 posts

191 months

Tuesday 4th April 2023
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andy97 said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol Arnage, I think some of them are on here too!
Yes, me, but I am one of those trying to talk up change.
I gave up on the BRF due to the ever decreasing numbers actually using the forum, particularly the non-rallying posts of a couple of people that would have been jumped on by most here and moderated away pretty quickly.

I was one who challenged your statements about it being wrong that there was no classes for a low spec Escort with a 'If you want a championship like that, get on and organise one'. To your credit, you did! Well done.

There is a difference between wanting something different and doing something about it and thinking something should be different but not being involved in the sport at all. And no, LukeBrown66, I actually don't mean you here.

andy97

4,742 posts

230 months

Thursday 6th April 2023
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LastPoster said:
andy97 said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol Arnage, I think some of them are on here too!
Yes, me, but I am one of those trying to talk up change.
I gave up on the BRF due to the ever decreasing numbers actually using the forum, particularly the non-rallying posts of a couple of people that would have been jumped on by most here and moderated away pretty quickly.

I was one who challenged your statements about it being wrong that there was no classes for a low spec Escort with a 'If you want a championship like that, get on and organise one'. To your credit, you did! Well done.

There is a difference between wanting something different and doing something about it and thinking something should be different but not being involved in the sport at all. And no, LukeBrown66, I actually don't mean you here.
Not just about “low spec Escorts” but about older cars in age related spec and OEM engines (but not necessarily homologated historic spec), a bit like a lot of club level classic racing in the U.K.
Anyway, it’s moving ahead slowly within the AWMMC Heart of England rally championship, and I am backing it with a very small amount of my own money.
It’s a pity the Roger Albert Clark rally doesn't have a class for such “club classic” cars, but does allow modern cars to run in their own classes (Not that I could afford to enter it, or have he talent for it). A “club classic” class would actually be in keeping with the original events which always attracted lots of club level competitors.
I am also supportive of the AWMMC’s new class for post year 2000 2wd <1600cc forced induction cars, which should provide a platform for more modern cars to compete against each other without necessarily breaking the bank, and I do think that encouraging more modern cars in to the sport is vital.

Edited by andy97 on Thursday 6th April 11:03

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

54 months

Thursday 6th April 2023
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The thing with the RAC is that they are often over subbed with entries (at 5 grand a pop ffs), so in reality they probably have to be careful about what they do allow.

I have for years said it would be a good idea to have either a separate rally or a Spectator day as we used to have and for that you get certain cars that only do that, either before or after the main cars that would leave it open for whoever to try and get some bigger names, some interesting cars and do a proper Lombard thing, rather than these sort of rally track day Lombard things that currently abound. My only beef is that as wit was back the, retiring on a mickey mouse stage is ever fun as they are never easy!

if you had a few stages at say Weston, Donington maybe, Oulton, Trentham, Chatsworth, I know it would be a real throwback to halycon days and I do think the RAC misses a trick by not embracing the Continental hugely popular classic events like the ones in Germany, Italy and perhaps now Spain.


LastPoster

2,732 posts

191 months

Thursday 6th April 2023
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It's interesting that the majority used to moan about the Sunday stages, 'Mickey Mouse' 'Rally starts on Monday etc'. Now it seems it was a good idea and should be brought back as 'rallying hides away in the woods'


LastPoster

2,732 posts

191 months

Thursday 6th April 2023
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andy97 said:
Not just about “low spec Escorts” but about older cars in age related spec and OEM engines (but not necessarily homologated historic spec), a bit like a lot of club level classic racing in the U.K.
Apologies if you thought that was an insult, it wasn't meant that way. The 'arms race' of the non historic Mk2 does mean though that the cars you are encouraging are low (perhaps 'lower' is better) spec. The highest I ever got to was 2.0 16v on carbs and clockwork ignition for 242 bhp, a Quaife 5 speed and Atlas axle. Would be outclassed now, but a winning car in class C in 1990-95. Mine was in a Sunbeam not an Escort though.

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,699 posts

231 months

Thursday 6th April 2023
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LastPoster said:
It's interesting that the majority used to moan about the Sunday stages, 'Mickey Mouse' 'Rally starts on Monday etc'. Now it seems it was a good idea and should be brought back as 'rallying hides away in the woods'
the drivers used to moan about them, not sure the speccies did.

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

54 months

Thursday 6th April 2023
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The issue with the modern RAC is that at the moment it is very much a purist event. It is popular yes but not Network Q McRae era RAC popular so it is far easier to manage from the organisers point of view, you will find maybe a few hundred cars parked on most stages other than the very popular ones. RAC era was a nightmare.

But, a speccy day is a good way to garner interest and be able to deal with crowds a lot easier, by almost palming it off onto a stately home and helping them out.

Problem with them is, at that time of year they are far from easy as many found out back in the day and for 5 grand entry for an all amateur event, it is a heart braking way to exit a rally before even getting into the proper rally. And that was always the case.

bloomen

7,488 posts

167 months

Thursday 6th April 2023
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
the drivers used to moan about them, not sure the speccies did.
I always enjoyed watching them on the telly.

The drivers also always seemed uniquely annoyed if they blew it on that day.

andy97

4,742 posts

230 months

Friday 7th April 2023
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LastPoster said:
andy97 said:
Not just about “low spec Escorts” but about older cars in age related spec and OEM engines (but not necessarily homologated historic spec), a bit like a lot of club level classic racing in the U.K.
Apologies if you thought that was an insult, it wasn't meant that way. The 'arms race' of the non historic Mk2 does mean though that the cars you are encouraging are low (perhaps 'lower' is better) spec. The highest I ever got to was 2.0 16v on carbs and clockwork ignition for 242 bhp, a Quaife 5 speed and Atlas axle. Would be outclassed now, but a winning car in class C in 1990-95. Mine was in a Sunbeam not an Escort though.
No apology needed. Didn’t even consider that it might have been an insult. My reply was just trying to explain that the “club classic” class was not just about “low spec Escorts”; we have 205s and an Avenger registered, I think, and I would love to see BMW 3 series, Golf GTi, Sunbeams, etc etc out. I see rally prepared cars like this for sale regularly so they are out there.
Agree that cars like mine are lower spec - H-pattern box, OEM Pinto and no 3 way adjustable dampers - but they were probably a decent club level spec “back in the day”! Mine is 5-linked, tubbed, disc brakes all round, power steering etc, and I genuinely think that there are quite a few cars like this around, but just not being used because owners don’t really have the incentive to enter in the same class as a 2 litre Duratec, sequential box car.

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

54 months

Friday 7th April 2023
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It is a problem when you can now easily spend 150 grand on a Mk2, and quite a lot of people (and they all seem to be from the same mould) do. What happens to the old stuff. The stuff you saw routinely at clubbies in the 80's and 90's getting top 20 results, winning classes etc.

It has always been this way, a friend used a Mk2 for a bit and got fed up trying to beat 16v cars in the big class, so bored it out to 2.1 and was top three in his class every rally getting roughly the same results

Being brutally honest it is your choice to rally that car, among cars that are considerably more expensive, it's like complaining about wages in a job when you knew they were low before you started. If you are not bothered about results and simply want to rally, improve, why worry. If you want better results sounds like you might need to get your wallet out as everyone else does!