Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained

Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained

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B'stard Child

28,395 posts

246 months

Saturday 11th September 2021
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R0G said:
Most of the info in this thread will become obsolete in Autumn so perhaps it is time to un-sticky it ???
Yes but can I just say thanks thumbup at this point for your contributions to making a bloody minefield very simple to understand cool

Ivan stewart

2,792 posts

36 months

Sunday 3rd October 2021
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Yes thanks Rog , just one question can the misus now tow a trailer behind her horse box? 7.5 ton lorry,trailer over 750 kg .
Her license is pre 97 !!

944 Man

1,743 posts

132 months

Sunday 3rd October 2021
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Train weight max: 8,250kg. It is written on her licence.

bobski1

1,773 posts

104 months

Sunday 3rd October 2021
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What happens in autumn? What if I want to do B+E after that? Currently I can tow 3.5kg max

R0G

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4,986 posts

155 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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Ivan stewart said:
Yes thanks Rog , just one question can the misus now tow a trailer behind her horse box? 7.5 ton lorry,trailer over 750 kg .
Her license is pre 97 !!
No changes to that

R0G

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Monday 4th October 2021
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bobski1 said:
What happens in autumn? What if I want to do B+E after that? Currently I can tow 3.5kg max
If you can tow 3.5 now behind a cat B vehicle then that is B+E so you do not have to do it because you have it

Ivan stewart

2,792 posts

36 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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R0G said:
Ivan stewart said:
Yes thanks Rog , just one question can the misus now tow a trailer behind her horse box? 7.5 ton lorry,trailer over 750 kg .
Her license is pre 97 !!
No changes to that
Thanks,

bobski1

1,773 posts

104 months

Thursday 14th October 2021
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R0G said:
If you can tow 3.5 now behind a cat B vehicle then that is B+E so you do not have to do it because you have it
Rules I have on my licence are:

[i]a car or van up to 3,500kg MAM towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (up to 4,250kg in total)
a trailer over 750kg MAM, as long as it is no more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle (up to 3,500kg in total)[/i]

the way I read it is can tow up to combined 4.25Tn but if the trailer is over 750Kg the car needs to be heavier i.e. if I towed a trailer with a car on it (2tn combined) The car would need be heavier than 2tn but no more than 4.25tn otherwise it will be heavier than the limit required?

And there is no longer B+E, now its straight to C1+E?

R0G

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4,986 posts

155 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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bobski1 said:
Rules I have on my licence are:

[i]a car or van up to 3,500kg MAM towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (up to 4,250kg in total)
a trailer over 750kg MAM, as long as it is no more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle (up to 3,500kg in total)[/i]

the way I read it is can tow up to combined 4.25Tn but if the trailer is over 750Kg the car needs to be heavier i.e. if I towed a trailer with a car on it (2tn combined) The car would need be heavier than 2tn but no more than 4.25tn otherwise it will be heavier than the limit required?

And there is no longer B+E, now its straight to C1+E?
as long as it is no more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle = that bit was scrapped in 2013
You need to look at the current laws not the old laws

there is no longer B+E, now its straight to C1+E? - there is still B+E so I do not know where you got that idea from

ESD1711

390 posts

51 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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bobski1 said:
Rules I have on my licence are:

[i]a car or van up to 3,500kg MAM towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (up to 4,250kg in total)
a trailer over 750kg MAM, as long as it is no more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle (up to 3,500kg in total)[/i]

the way I read it is can tow up to combined 4.25Tn but if the trailer is over 750Kg the car needs to be heavier i.e. if I towed a trailer with a car on it (2tn combined) The car would need be heavier than 2tn but no more than 4.25tn otherwise it will be heavier than the limit required?

And there is no longer B+E, now its straight to C1+E?
Any trailer with a car on it is going to be over 750kg so you can ignore the first part of (i).

At the moment you are fairly restricted - you need a towing combination where the max laden weight of the tow car + max possible laden weight of trailer must fall under 3500kg, whilst the tow car must still have a towing capacity large enough for the trailer.

After the change in November you can then tow using a tow vehicle up to 3500kg, pulling a trailer plated anything up to 3500kg, again within the towing capacity of the towing vehicle.

eltax91

9,873 posts

206 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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Does anyone know what the enforcement date for the changes are? Got a track day on November 11th. I’m B+E, friend isn’t. I can’t supervise. Wondering if we can share the driving.

R0G

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4,986 posts

155 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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eltax91 said:
Does anyone know what the enforcement date for the changes are? Got a track day on November 11th. I’m B+E, friend isn’t. I can’t supervise. Wondering if we can share the driving.
Nov 15 is the likely date

eltax91

9,873 posts

206 months

Thursday 11th November 2021
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R0G said:
eltax91 said:
Does anyone know what the enforcement date for the changes are? Got a track day on November 11th. I’m B+E, friend isn’t. I can’t supervise. Wondering if we can share the driving.
Nov 15 is the likely date
Now been ‘delayed until later in the year’ I hear?!

B'stard Child

28,395 posts

246 months

Thursday 11th November 2021
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eltax91 said:
R0G said:
eltax91 said:
Does anyone know what the enforcement date for the changes are? Got a track day on November 11th. I’m B+E, friend isn’t. I can’t supervise. Wondering if we can share the driving.
Nov 15 is the likely date
Now been ‘delayed until later in the year’ I hear?!
From the website

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-rules-for-towing-a...

website updated on 11 November 2021 said:
Updated to confirm that the rules about what you can tow will not change on 15 November 2021. The change will be introduced at a later date, and as soon as possible.

bobski1

1,773 posts

104 months

Friday 12th November 2021
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with the rules now delayed is it worth going for a B+E now?

ESD1711

390 posts

51 months

Friday 12th November 2021
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bobski1 said:
with the rules now delayed is it worth going for a B+E now?
You can’t…. Which makes it all the more shambolic

R0G

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4,986 posts

155 months

Saturday 13th November 2021
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bobski1 said:
with the rules now delayed is it worth going for a B+E now?
Testing for B+E is no longer happening
Lots are now in limbo

AnduHowman

359 posts

250 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Typically shambolic

lenard

19 posts

117 months

Thursday 16th December 2021
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legislation now passed.

An additional legislative change from the 16th December 2021 also means that drivers with B (Car) entitlement will automatically have B+E (Car & Trailer) entitlement without the need to take a B+E test. This will allow you to tow a vehicle up to 3,500kg Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM).
BE entitlement informationPlease note that these changes will not be reflected on your current driving licence, or on any of our online services. There is no need to contact DVLA regarding this change, your photocard driving licence will be updated the next time you transact with DVLA.

R0G

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