Who's at fault? Traffic collision - with video

[hornetrider]

OP massively at fault, for all the reasons mentioned above. Terrible bit of driving, that. Quite how you can't see it as a poor standard of driving is a bit of a worry.

Can you explain how you thought it was a correct manoevre? (Turning left at a roundabout while in Lane 2 on approach which was signed straight or right?)

[Hugo a Gogo]

the angle of the approach to the RAB maybe makes it look (a bit) like 'straight ahead' is A323 wellington Ave, but it isn't - straight ahead is Wingate Ct/Tesco, as seen on the big sign

[barker22]

OP was in the wrong. What is funny is that you have effectively shot yourself in the foot by submitting the video. No 50/50 chance there.
I think the OP should think himself lucky if he just loses the claim and the police don't come knocking to pin other driving offences on him. Like DWDCA.
Even if you were right OP you could have anticipated that better anyway, no indicator, big L plate. I would rather not have a crash at all than 'be right' and endure months of negotiations. Learn and move on.

[superlightr]

hornetrider said:

OP massively at fault, for all the reasons mentioned above. Terrible bit of driving, that. Quite how you can't see it as a poor standard of driving is a bit of a worry.

Can you explain how you thought it was a correct manoevre? (Turning left at a roundabout while in Lane 2 on approach which was signed straight or right?)

I think it can be 'argued' that both lanes 1 & 2 do required by the road arrows for both lanes to take the 1st exit otherwise neither lane would allow you to exit. If you wanted to go to the tescos you need to be in lane 2 with the right arrow.

[Milky Joe]

hornetrider said:

OP massively at fault, for all the reasons mentioned above. Terrible bit of driving, that. Quite how you can't see it as a poor standard of driving is a bit of a worry.

Can you explain how you thought it was a correct manoevre? (Turning left at a roundabout while in Lane 2 on approach which was signed straight or right?)

Amen. Massive own goal.

[hornetrider]

superlightr said:

I think it can be 'argued' that both lanes 1 & 2 do required by the road arrows for both lanes to take the 1st exit otherwise neither lane would allow you to exit.

Sorry fella, you're going to have to rearrange those into a sentence I can understand!

[selwonk]

The fact that you've sent this to the insurer really beggars belief.

[hornetrider]

selwonk said:

The fact that you've sent this to the insurer really beggars belief.

It does, doesn't it. Could have 'got away' with a 50/50 otherwise. Still, in this instance, insurance justice was properly done.

[superlightr]

hornetrider said:

superlightr said:

I think it can be 'argued' that both lanes 1 & 2 do required by the road arrows for both lanes to take the 1st exit otherwise neither lane would allow you to exit.

Sorry fella, you're going to have to rearrange those into a sentence I can understand!

lanes 1 & 2 required you to take the 1st exit by the fact of their road markings.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 12th March 11:39

[SmoothCriminal]

superlightr said:

hornetrider said:

superlightr said:

I think it can be 'argued' that both lanes 1 & 2 do required by the road arrows for both lanes to take the 1st exit otherwise neither lane would allow you to exit.

Sorry fella, you're going to have to rearrange those into a sentence I can understand!

lanes 1 & 2 required you to take the 1st exit by the fact of their road markings.

have you actually looked at the google map? Do you know how to use a roundabout? Clearly the right lane is for Tesco (straight on) and right hand exit

[Johnnytheboy]

saaby93 said:

ha ha - there was a thread on this a month back
A few years ago the learner would have been told to signal right there and to signal left before the junction they wanted to leave at.

Signal right to turn left?

[Hugo a Gogo]

1st exit is not straight one, as evidenced by the big road sign

if anything, neither arrow allows you to take the first exit

[julian64]

FurtiveFreddy said:

How did the other driver justify a personal injury claim and what was their version of the events?

Errr, driving instructor hates his job, looking for an excuse for time off, and loves free money.

Not sure if your question was actually serious.

[hornetrider]

SmoothCriminal said:

superlightr said:

hornetrider said:

superlightr said:

I think it can be 'argued' that both lanes 1 & 2 do required by the road arrows for both lanes to take the 1st exit otherwise neither lane would allow you to exit.

Sorry fella, you're going to have to rearrange those into a sentence I can understand!

lanes 1 & 2 required you to take the 1st exit by the fact of their road markings.

have you actually looked at the google map? Do you know how to use a roundabout? Clearly the right lane is for Tesco (straight on) and right hand exit

Indeed. The first exit is a left hand turn.

[smileymikey]

WTF? I read the comments before I watched the video. OP you are more in the wrong than Nab McWrong from Wrong Lane, Bang to Rightsville??

The insurance company must have sent that video to every member of staff, plus all there suppliers. Shortly before nominating it for the shoot yourself in the foot awards!

You might find this site more useful than Pistonheads http://www.driving-test-success.com/theory/theory_...

[superlightr]

SmoothCriminal said:

have you actually looked at the google map? Do you know how to use a roundabout? Clearly the right lane is for Tesco (straight on) and right hand exit

You cannot follow the road markings and make the fist exit then. If there were no road markings or ahead and left then fine it allows the 1st exit but here it does not it ahead only.

As both lane are ahead only this would imply they both allow for cars to take the 1st exit.

[davebeast]

Is it April 1st?

OP, if you think it's acceptable to drive like that suggest handing in your licence. As for sending it to your insurance company to claim against the learner, I think you'll be lucky if they continue to insure you, what with you being a liability.

You should of been extra careful around the learner, and been patient and waited behind to make sure they din't make any sudden manouvre. I bet you we're rightly called some choice words by the instructor.

Edited by davebeast on Monday 12th March 11:44

[essayer]

In fairness to the OP it seems from the road markings that he has ASSUMED the "straight on" means "take the main road" and then also ASSUMED that the learner will take this straight on road rather than go "around" to Tescos.

However assuming what other drivers are going to do - especially learners - can get you in a pickle. After all, if they were going left as you presumably thought, you could have just overtaken them on the DC.

[Johnboy Mac]

Handy, those in car cameras. Never seen a good driver with one yet.

[anonymous-user]

As usual the markings on that roundabout are bloody awful. Both lanes are signed "straight on", but the 12 o'clock exit only has one lane!

Either: a) The left lane should be signed left turn only, with the right-hand lane being straight over and right OR b) The right-hand lane should be signed right turn only, with the left-hand lane being straight over and left. The current markings are just asking for a collision.