April Jones

[daz3210]

La Liga said:

db said:

mjb1 said:

Wonder what the PCoJ charge is about?

I'd guess not providing the location of the body.

It won't be for that. He doesn't have to say anything.

Lets face it, if he told them where the body was (assuming there has been a murder and he is the one who did it), that would be almost as much as admitting to the murder. So surely not providing the location surely cannot be PCoJ.

[anonymous-user]

Pontoneer said:

I have wondered about the possibility that she may still be alive , in the hands of a group of paedophiles for whom Bridger abducted her ? I expect the possibility has been considered and dismissed.

The investigators will keep and open mind to anything. Considering and exploring associates and conspirators is basic major investigation work.

[gazchap]

I see there's already numerous "Hang Mark Bridger" pages on Facebook.

I'm glad we don't have the death penalty in this country. Sure, if he killed her then he deserves to go to prison for the rest of his life. But the Facebook page had nearly 20,000 likes (when I looked last night, anyway) - whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty" ?

[andy_s]

gazchap said:

I see there's already numerous "Hang Mark Bridger" pages on Facebook.

I'm glad we don't have the death penalty in this country. Sure, if he killed her then he deserves to go to prison for the rest of his life. But the Facebook page had nearly 20,000 likes (when I looked last night, anyway) - whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty" ?

The baying mob love a good pediatrician story...

[KingNothing]

If only I didn't want to interact with the buffoons on facebook and have my inbox spammed by the sloped headed knuckle dragging imbeciles who don't understand the concept of a fair trial and innocent until PROVEN guilty I'd be having some fun on facebook smacking them down, but I just can't be arsed. Too many people have access to the internet these days, some really shouldn't inhabbit that place at all.

[Rovinghawk]

StuartGGray said:

Whats wrong with a quick waterboarding?

Would you be happy for it to be done to you? If he's proven guilty then any punishment is fine, but we shouldn't torture as part of an investigative process.

RH

[KingNothing]

Dear god, reading that page makes me think, the only people I want hanging are the vile cretinous morons posting on it, not Mark Bridger. Like I said before I'd troll it, but I can't be arsed, maybe after a few beers I might tonight though Just hope PC plod doesn't lock me up for offending some fat slag by posting common sense to debunk her posted ste.

[9mm]

KingNothing said:

Dear god, reading that page makes me think, the only people I want hanging are the vile cretinous morons posting on it, not Mark Bridger. Like I said before I'd troll it, but I can't be arsed, maybe after a few beers I might tonight though Just hope PC plod doesn't lock me up for offending some fat slag by posting common sense to debunk her posted ste.

Glass houses and stones and those that shout the loudest spring to mind. Funny how often we see that the perpetrator of these crimes come from within the community/demographic.

[Pontoneer]

gazchap said:

I see there's already numerous "Hang Mark Bridger" pages on Facebook.

I'm glad we don't have the death penalty in this country. Sure, if he killed her then he deserves to go to prison for the rest of his life. But the Facebook page had nearly 20,000 likes (when I looked last night, anyway) - whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty" ?

I would be more than glad to see the guilty party hang for a crime like this , it at present looks likely to be Mark Bridger , but with proper proof the death penalty would be appropriate for the murder of a child .

Again , we do not as yet know exactly what happened .

[singlecoil]

Pontoneer said:

I would be more than glad to see the guilty party hang for a crime like this , it at present looks likely to be Mark Bridger , but with proper proof the death penalty would be appropriate for the murder of a child .

The thing that makes me very uncomfortable with that is that is that it values a child's life more highly than an adult's. It also poses a number of moral problems, for instance, at what age should the value of someone's life drop to life imprisonment?

[Fozziebear]

9mm said:

KingNothing said:

Dear god, reading that page makes me think, the only people I want hanging are the vile cretinous morons posting on it, not Mark Bridger. Like I said before I'd troll it, but I can't be arsed, maybe after a few beers I might tonight though Just hope PC plod doesn't lock me up for offending some fat slag by posting common sense to debunk her posted ste.

Glass houses and stones and those that shout the loudest spring to mind. Funny how often we see that the perpetrator of these crimes come from within the community/demographic.

Or even their own family, just look at the family that set fire to their own house

[9mm]

Fozziebear said:

9mm said:

KingNothing said:

Dear god, reading that page makes me think, the only people I want hanging are the vile cretinous morons posting on it, not Mark Bridger. Like I said before I'd troll it, but I can't be arsed, maybe after a few beers I might tonight though Just hope PC plod doesn't lock me up for offending some fat slag by posting common sense to debunk her posted ste.

Glass houses and stones and those that shout the loudest spring to mind. Funny how often we see that the perpetrator of these crimes come from within the community/demographic.

Or even their own family, just look at the family that set fire to their own house

The Bulger case, Shannon Matthews, the list is endless, but 'the families' and the media are obsessed with bad strangers.

[anonymous-user]

I take your point, but why mention Jamie Bulger? He was murdered by boys who were strangers to him.

[mjb1]

9mm said:

The Bulger case, Shannon Matthews, the list is endless, but 'the families' and the media are obsessed with bad strangers.

Are you sure?

[Pontoneer]

singlecoil said:

The thing that makes me very uncomfortable with that is that is that it values a child's life more highly than an adult's. It also poses a number of moral problems, for instance, at what age should the value of someone's life drop to life imprisonment?

In as much as a child has not yet had the chance to live a life and realise their potential , more has been taken away from them than from someone who had lived out their life , or a good part of it .

The innocence of childhood is also taken away , along with the fact that an innocent child would have no comprehension of what was happening , or why .

In my own personal opinion , anyone who commits a premeditated murder , and is convicted with absolutely no doubt that they did it , ought to forfeit their own life .

I would , however , concede that where there is any room whatsoever for doubt , the sentence should be life .

[singlecoil]

Pontoneer said:

singlecoil said:

The thing that makes me very uncomfortable with that is that is that it values a child's life more highly than an adult's. It also poses a number of moral problems, for instance, at what age should the value of someone's life drop to life imprisonment?

In as much as a child has not yet had the chance to live a life and realise their potential , more has been taken away from them than from someone who had lived out their life , or a good part of it .

So how about if it was person of, say, 18, or 21?

[9mm]

Breadvan72 said:

I take your point, but why mention Jamie Bulger? He was murdered by boys who were strangers to him.

Agreed, but I believe they were local lads - part of the hallowed and mythical community.

[anonymous-user]

They came from some brutalised hell hole in the same town as their victim.

[9mm]

Breadvan72 said:

They came from some brutalised hell hole in the same town as their victim.

Agreed and my response is identical to my last post.

I'd add, had Facebook been around at the time, we've have had several days of community leaders telling us what a great community it was and the normal garbage about stranger abductions. People like Robert Black are incredibly rare. You don't normally have to look more than a few doors away to find the most common location of any abuser. Invariably it's indoors.

[longblackcoat]

9mm said:

Invariably it's indoors.

Which is why, whenever there's an incident like this, the police considerately send family liaison officers round, to support the family. They spend a good deal of time with the family, and whilst it's true to say that they DO provide support, their equally important role is to assess the family and see what likelihood there is of their involvement. It's hard for any guilty family to keep up the pretence when they've got a pair of friendly WPCs sitting on their couch all day.