I was threatened with arrest for warning of a speed camera .

I was threatened with arrest for warning of a speed camera .

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floydbax

110 posts

170 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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s51, Police Act 1964 - Assaulting or Obstructing a Constable in the Execution of His Duty, namely: acting as a Revenue Agent for HMG.

Streaky

This is a typical example of bending a law for a purpose it was not intended for!

Davidonly

1,080 posts

193 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Furry Exocet said:
sodslaw said:
Whats the difference?

In this case its mutually inclusive.
The difference is the OP wouldn't do it if there wasn't a camera or speed check round the corner
This simply doubles the 'statistically proven positive impact on road safety' of the (totally corrupt) speed camera deployment in the UK....

OBVIOUSLY the van will be covered in camera and POLICE stickers visible from 1/2 a mile back (they always say 'clearly marked- as we don't want to catch anyone) so these forwarned drivers would be able to slow for the lethal stretch up ahead even without a helpful early reminder..... Oh hang on, the cambs scam vans have one little logo on the SIDE of a blue transit. hmmmmmm

14-7

6,233 posts

191 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
14-7 said:
The thing is you are not doing it to slow them down you are doing it to stop them being caught. A point quite obvious from your comment about reducing revenue.
How could he tell they really were speeding? They may not have been, in which case what obstruction would he be causing? I would have thought his intent is immaterial in that instance.
Well the op states he thought they were going too fast, given the standings in SP&l that everyone is experts then I will assume he is far more versed than any police officer who deals with it on a daily basis.

After all the police only ticket people to keep the coffers full, to fund the Christmas ball, for the annual BBQ etc etc rolleyes

woody155

26 posts

139 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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take no notice of their stupid warning u did the right thing

SS2.

14,462 posts

238 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
How could he tell they really were speeding? They may not have been, in which case what obstruction would he be causing?
Nutshell..

Absent any proof that the OP warned vehicles that were actually speeding, then the best the BiB could likely hope for would be proceeding an allegation of the 'waver' not being in proper control..

Had the OP gone so far as to flash the oncoming vehicles, a charge of 'misuse of headlights' (or whatever tosh they call it these days) might have been the preferred choice of HM's finest.


jjr1

Original Poster:

3,023 posts

260 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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woody155 said:
take no notice of their stupid warning u did the right thing
The warning was quite clear that they would arrest me. Even if it didn't proceed any further, a trip down to the station and a few hours of 'no comment', would even bore me.

whoami

13,151 posts

240 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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jjr1 said:
woody155 said:
take no notice of their stupid warning u did the right thing
The warning was quite clear that they would arrest me. Even if it didn't proceed any further, a trip down to the station and a few hours of 'no comment', would even bore me.
And they wonder why public support is sometimes lacking?

clarkey328is

2,220 posts

174 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Furry Exocet said:
sodslaw said:
Whats the difference?

In this case its mutually inclusive.
The difference is the OP wouldn't do it if there wasn't a camera or speed check round the corner
How would he know it was a dangerous stretch of road if a SAFETY camera wasn't there? They are only placed on hazardous stretches of road in order to prevent accidents aren't they?

bluejj

182 posts

231 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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woody155 said:
take no notice of their stupid warning u did the right thing
The only thing with that is not only are you warning "decent" folk about the police being there, you also potentially warn the illegally driven vehicles of the presence of the officers.

jjr1

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3,023 posts

260 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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whoami said:
jjr1 said:
woody155 said:
take no notice of their stupid warning u did the right thing
The warning was quite clear that they would arrest me. Even if it didn't proceed any further, a trip down to the station and a few hours of 'no comment', would even bore me.
And they wonder why public support is sometimes lacking?
A very astute point as the public do not differentiate between various positions within the force. If they see fit to issue threats of arrest for something that helps them, to inform members of the public of a safety hazard area, they can't complain when people stand and watch them trying to tackle the drunks on a Friday night.

bulldog5046

1,495 posts

178 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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It's a simple fact the default reaction to anyone upon spotting a danger while driving is to hit the brake pedal, especially if its a camera.

The argument that you've already been caught by the time you see it doesn't always stand however.

While the laser travels at the speed of light it still requires the old fart behind the bloody thing to react and pull the trigger.

A reality which fortunately may allow those with quick enough reactions to scrub half a seconds breaking before the speed is recorded.

Something I'm actually praying on at the moment as my laser detector did not warn me of a camera last weekend suggesting it was not fired after a harsh breaking manoeuvre n the distance.

Has anyone else noticed a steep rise in cameras this year? I've been ha 3 times in 10 months Vs 1 in the previous 7 years? Ironically, I'm also driving the slowest car I've had over that period!

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

188 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Although I generally support the Police in what they do, (as do most of us of course), I think they should grow up and drop this silly stuff.

Motorists/motorcyclists warn each other of any law enforcement going on, they always have done, and I assume they always will.

We all know they catch bad guys, as well as good guys speeding, but really, threatening somebody with arrest for warning other motorists of a speed trap ?

If that is true, they should face an internal charge of bringing their uniform into disrepute, it is pathetic, and will only widen the "us and them" feeling amongst motorists.

They are dropping to the same level as scamerati.

XDA

2,141 posts

185 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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streaky said:
s51, Police Act 1964 - Assaulting or Obstructing a Constable in the Execution of His Duty, namely: acting as a Revenue Agent for HMG. wink

Streaky
What about civilian scamera operators? wink

Milky Joe

3,851 posts

204 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Nigel Worc's said:
an internal charge of bringing their uniform into disrepute
rofl

whoami

13,151 posts

240 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Milky Joe said:
Nigel Worc's said:
an internal charge of bringing their uniform into disrepute
rofl
Assuming that you are a PO (actually, irrelevant), do you think that it is a sensible way to be seen to be treating the public?

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

170 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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This kind of thing makes me laugh. I am very sympathetic to the police, having read various stories and seen the often tongue in cheek shows all over the TV, it's obvious they have one wk job often times. I wouldn't in a million years want to deal with the scum they have to.

What winds me up however is when they jump down the throat of normal people. I know its hard for them to be nice one second and hard the next, but please, most of us respect you, don't give us a reason to be like the "PIG HATIN'" wkers you see about.

You did the right thing OP. Depriving any "speed camera partnership" is the way forward.

Zeeky

2,794 posts

212 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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SS2. said:
10 Pence Short said:
How could he tell they really were speeding? They may not have been, in which case what obstruction would he be causing?
Nutshell..

Absent any proof that the OP warned vehicles that were actually speeding, then the best the BiB could likely hope for would be proceeding an allegation of the 'waver' not being in proper control..
Speeding or likely to speed is the test. DPP v Glendinning 2005

Terminator X

15,054 posts

204 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Stuff of legends, arrestable offence my fking arse!

TX.

streaky

19,311 posts

249 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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floydbax said:
s51, Police Act 1964 - Assaulting or Obstructing a Constable in the Execution of His Duty, namely: acting as a Revenue Agent for HMG.

Streaky

This is a typical example of bending a law for a purpose it was not intended for!
Perhaps you shouldn't have removed the smiley.

Streaky

floydbax

110 posts

170 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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s51, Police Act 1964 - Assaulting or Obstructing a Constable in the Execution of His Duty, namely: acting as a Revenue Agent for HMG.

Streaky

This is a typical example of bending a law for a purpose it was not intended for!
Perhaps you shouldn't have removed the smiley.

Streaky
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Unintentional, I was just emphasising yr point.