Stab a dog, criminal damage?

[Regiment]

oyster said:

According to article the dogs had already been separated, so it sounds like retribution to me.
And 23 stab wounds, again sounds like crazed vengeance not defence of a dog.

Yep, i think this bit "After the fighting dogs were separated, the enraged owner of the other pet left the scene in Woodland Walk only to return moments later with two 10inch knives and three other blades" really well count against the guy in court and make it look and sound more like a revenge attack than defending his beloved pet.

[Marlin45]

simoid said:

How does one "wield 5 knives"?

Edward Scissorhands?

[9mm]

sugerbear said:

Ok, let's say I am out walking my beloved Labrador in the park, big fierce dog comes over and starts attacking it, maybe takes a chunk out of it, does it some damage. Eventually the owner comes over and is struggling to control or get the animal off, maybe I also get bitten as well. I decide that enough is enough go to my car and get a hammer and kill the still snarling dog. Owner of the other dog now upset but places all the blame on me and runs to the press.

Would I deserve a custodial sentence ?

YouTube'd American bulldog and the first one I came cross is someone using one as as attack dog, so I would guess they attract a certain kind of dog owner.

Funnily enough I used to own such a lab. She was a lovely, gentle old thing and quite unable to defend herself against an aggressive dog. After she was attacked when my wife was walking her I took a more robust approach. I fully expect dogs to settle small differences with growls and nips and that continued as before. However, any dog that persisted in its aggression and could not be controlled by its owner received a hefty kick from me.

This always worked, despite upsetting a few owners. In the last few years the increase in number of more aggressive dogs became quite pronounced and I often wondered if in that case a kick would suffice (in protecting my old dog or me!). I then carried a concealed device which can be best described as like a swordstick. I've no doubt it constituted an offensive weapon but it was never on view and fortunately I never had to use it. However, I wouldn't have thought twice about killing another dog that couldn't be pulled off mine.

For what it's worth, I don't feel the need to carry anything to protect the dogs I own now and in the event that they were in danger of killing another dog I would completely understand another owner taking whatever steps they thought necessary.

As always, I expect there is more to the story behind this thread than we are being told.

[simoid]

You kick my dog?!

[9mm]

simoid said:

You kick my dog?!

Yes, on the couple of occasions it happened it did provoke a similar response. Not surprising really, given the type of owner of the type of dog that more often than not is completely out of control.

[simoid]

Sorry, it's a prank call from the 90s


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=100602...


YT: think it descends into some swearing, so probably NSFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olddb8_9ONc

I'd also kick a dog if it was going for a dog I was walking.

[9mm]

simoid said:

Sorry, it's a prank call from the 90s


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=100602...


YT: think it descends into some swearing, so probably NSFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olddb8_9ONc

I'd also kick a dog if it was going for a dog I was walking.

No offence taken. As with so many things, it comes down to what's reasonable in the circumstances and sometimes what we think aligns with the law, sometimes not. For example, observing offensive weapon legislation would have deprived me of the means to protect my old dog, so I chose to take my chances. At the same time, most dog owners would empathise with someone in my position and have nightmares at the thought of being unable to protect a loved family pet. Sometimes you look at things differently. So I don't carry a gun around to protect my wife in what-if situations.

Clearly I valued the dog's life more than that of the wife, so let's hope she's not reading this!

[simoid]

9mm said:

So I don't carry a gun around to protect my wife in what-if situations.

I was beginning to wonder where your name came from...

[bigandclever]

There was a fairly unpleasant picture in the Standard tonight of this incident. Not so much of the dog (though there was some blood), more the anguish on the face of the owner.

As the site says, graphic content...
link

[icetea]

Given that there are no quotes from the owner to suggest otherwise... i'm going with the assumption that the now dead dog attacked the other one and got what was coming to it.

[SmoothCriminal]

Knew there would be more to this story than some lunatic who just goes around knifing random dogs.


Today, Mr Stearman said he knifed the dog because he was only trying to stop it killing his own terrier Monty.
Mr Stearman said: 'The dog’s a lunatic. I’d just stepped out my house and the dog went for him. It wasn’t on a lead. It locked its jaw on to Monty’s head. He’s only little and he’s a donut around other dogs.

'It was like a lion on top of a gazelle. I was screaming for help and the owner was nowhere to be seen.
'When she did finally turn up five minutes later all she did was stroke her dog. I was kicking and punching it but it wouldn’t budge so I went into the kitchen and got three knives.

'I’m not proud of what I’ve done but what was I supposed to do, stand there and let it kill my dog?'
Mr Stearman said the bulldog tried to attack his dog three months earlier.

He said: 'I literally had to pick Monty up and throw him over the fence because this dog was going to go for him. He’s attacked loads of dogs on this estate and he’s even gone for a kid outside the Budgens up the road.
'I’m just glad it happened to me because it was only a matter of time before it killed a kid.'

Eleven-year-old Monty, who Mr Stearman has had since he was a puppy, suffered bite marks to his head, face, ear and chin and now flinches when anyone tried to touch him.

'He’s going to be alright but it has affected him. I’m on anti depressants because I can’t stop thinking about it. I can’t sleep. It’s been an absolute nightmare,' Mr Stearman said.


: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216806/Mo...

[icetea]

Plus other quotes from a 3rd party confirming that was the case.

I'm not surprised at all... it always looked like something like that was going to turn out to be the true story - some aholes dangerous dog ends up getting killed.

[Nigel Worc's]

Even "softy" dogs can be fairly brutal to other dogs.

One of my labradors knocked the stuffing out of, (quite literally), a neighbours border collie, both dogs were familiar with each other, niether the neighbour or myself know to this day why the scrap took place, (both dogs off lead, owners chatting to each other).

Having said that, I can never understand why people wish to own such breeds as the pitbull, staffordshire bull terrier, that yanky bulldog, as well as many others.

[9mm]

icetea said:

Plus other quotes from a 3rd party confirming that was the case.

I'm not surprised at all... it always looked like something like that was going to turn out to be the true story - some aholes dangerous dog ends up getting killed.

In fact it seems like quite a good result for just about everyone apart from Tyson. How did I guess it would have a name like that.

Yet again an example of where a simple law, properly enforced would benefit the majority. ie all dogs to be on leads outside of designated open spaces

[XCP]

Good job he had a decent selection of knives.
I'd have had to resort to a potato peeler and a wooden spoon after the fist knife.
I realise it's not very PH not to have a keenly honed set of razor sharp knives handy, but there you are.

[Issi]

Although I've only gleaned my information from the DM, it does appear that Mr Stearman used the knives in an attempt to save his own dogs life. Regrettable, but in my opinion understandable.

[Du1point8]

Can I ask how come people on this thread are defending the actions of a person who I think acted in accordance to the situation.

Yet in a similar situation when the person who stabbed a dog is replaced by a farmer, and monty with sheep, etc... Quite a few people will still blame the farmer for shooting a dog, whilst the farmer is doing exactly the same, protecting his animals from death.

Is it ok to defend a pet, yet livestock is fair game to a pet and said pet is deemed more worthy to live then just livestock?

Just curious.

[mcdjl]

I love the way the mail article can't seem to decide if the story should be: vicious knife wielding thug kills dog; man saves pet dog from dog; mother of 3 devastated by loss of family pet; or chav (implied not said i feel) dog owners vicious dog picks the wrong fight.

[highflyer]

Anybody touches either of our dogs in any manor, other than to stroke or make a fuss of them, lets put it this way, I am prepared and will do time for the concequences.

they are working cocker spaniels, both as soft as st, my male dog comes to work with me every day but try and enter my van unknown and he will have the intruder no danger, could be constrived as dangerous but as far as I am concerned he is doing a job of protection.

Edited by highflyer on Saturday 13th October 13:22

[Issi]

You do realise that you are a Homo Sapien?
Perhaps if you spent a little bit more time with your own species, then you would understand.