Police and Crime Commissioner absolute farce.

[anonymous-user]

REALIST123 said:

Elroy Blue said:

REALIST123 said:

And what would you do with them? When teams are being fired wholesale (if they havent already resigned) for playing cards and cleaning golf kit when supposedly on duty, it's hard to understand why more officers are needed

So you think we're all sitting playing poker do you??

Four Officers to Police 500 square miles tonight. I'll let you do the maths

Where did I say that?

You didn't. But you made a stupid comment which did nothing to argue against the money that the commissioner process could have paid for extra officers. You can't do that then try to be sensible and factual asking questions like "where did I say that?" I take it your username was an ironic choice?

[Elroy Blue]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241613/Th...

Are we suprised?? A new trough to get the snouts into.

This, along with Warks PCC demanding that Police 're-examine' a car accident from last april. He won't say why (dare I say a mate didn't get the result he wanted). Complete interference in an operational matter. A few weeks in and it's turning into everything that was forecast- a complete debacle.

[ClaphamGT3]

Elroy Blue said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241613/Th...

Are we suprised?? A new trough to get the snouts into.

This, along with Warks PCC demanding that Police 're-examine' a car accident from last april. He won't say why (dare I say a mate didn't get the result he wanted). Complete interference in an operational matter. A few weeks in and it's turning into everything that was forecast- a complete debacle.

I'm not sure where the story is here; it sounds like sensationalist DM reporting to me trying to drum up a scandal out of PCCs re-organising their offices.

As for the Warks thing, where's the issue with the PCC holding the local force to account - that is, after all, their job

[anonymous-user]

The point is they are parachuting people in as they see fit. This isn't acceptable next door, is it?

[ClaphamGT3]

La Liga said:

The point is they are parachuting people in as they see fit. This isn't acceptable next door, is it?

It depends whether there are different procedures governing each different recruitment process

[XCP]

ClaphamGT3 said:

I'm not sure where the story is here; it sounds like sensationalist DM reporting to me trying to drum up a scandal out of PCCs re-organising their offices.

As for the Warks thing, where's the issue with the PCC holding the local force to account - that is, after all, their job

Sounds like nepotism and jobs for the boys to me. Chief Constables have been disciplined for less.

[Elroy Blue]

No recruitment process, nothing.

Then we have PCCs suddenly declaring that there was nothing in the job advertisement that said it was a full time post. Consequently, they will carry on in their old job and do the PCC role on the side.

[XCP]

Interestingly my pay slip now bears a logo for the PCC. It never had anything about the PA when that was in existence. I suppose with levels of apathy so high, they have to promote themselves where they can. All costs money though I guess.

[carinaman]

http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/15923562.Ex_P...

Former PCC gets 5 points and large fine for speeding on an A-road.

[Seesure]

So that is the sort of newsworthy stuff the papers put out these days....

No mention of what speed he was clocked doing though...

To be fair though, he probably got caught by the "strategically" placed scamera van that I was lucky enough to avoid being caught by just a few days before xmas, thanks to a driver who seemed unable to overtake any other vehicles having pulled out in to lane 2... sitting behind him for almost 2 miles and then going past the scamera at 60mph felt like a victory ...

[PF62]

And another one - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7803759/P...

"Married Police and Crime Commissioner, Jason Ablewhite, quit after 'sending pictures of his genitals to a woman, 50, he met on a tour of his constabulary'"

Incredibly he learnt nothing from the last time he was indiscrete on social media - https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/...

And the replacement for 'dick pic' Jason Ablewhite gets a ringing endorsement - https://www.wisbechstandard.co.uk/news/lukewarm-we...

[Jediworrier]

I've written to mine twice to ask why I have been advised in writing by an acting ps to ignore the obvious road markings and drive in a manner likely to cause an accident, Unfortunately Katy Bourne has replied but failed to answer the question both times. I do find it ironic when she talks about road safety issues! What are they actually for?

[carinaman]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Jason Ablewhite in the news a couple of years ago.

[carinaman]

Seems a Police and Crime Commissioner tweeted about a police investigation on their personal Twitter account possibly committing contempt of court:

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/fe...


She used to train senior and frontline police officers, she used to take part in Cyber Cafes in local libraries warning of threats of Internet Safety and Security and as a PCC she'd have attended Attestation ceremonies during which police officers read aloud the Constable's Oath that mentions something about impartiality. I am not sure if she's not too bright or she thinks the PCC role is to be a Cheerleader for the police,Tourism in Devon and Cornwall and the Conservative party.

In the scheme of things perhaps people getting fair trials isn't so important, and as they're all obviously wrong uns would it matter if justice moved online, removing the ability of the public to oversee if justice is being done?

Perhaps Boris will scrap Police and Crime Commissioners and spend the public money saved elsewhere.

[Paul Dishman]

carinaman said:

Seems a Police and Crime Commissioner tweeted about a police investigation on their personal Twitter account possibly committing contempt of court:

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/fe...


She used to train senior and frontline police officers, she used to take part in Cyber Cafes in local libraries warning of threats of Internet Safety and Security and as a PCC she'd have attended Attestation ceremonies during which police officers read aloud the Constable's Oath that mentions something about impartiality. I am not sure if she's not too bright or she thinks the PCC role is to be a Cheerleader for the police,Tourism in Devon and Cornwall and the Conservative party.

.

Hernandez is as thick as pig manure, as well as being the Cheerleader you describe above. I made a formal complaint about her tweeting support of Johnny Mercer's remarks about former soldiers not being sent for trial in Northern Ireland despite evidence of shooting a teen with learning difficulties. I asked if this meant she would be withdrawing support for investigations into cold case murders in Devon & Cornwall, but the complaints procedure cleared her.

Devon & Cornwall have appalling senior leadership, no body has taken responsibility for a death in custody in 2010, and recently they've had another death in custody of a black man taken from Cowley Bridge Rd in Exeter to Torquay, rather than the new multi-million pound Exeter police station at Middlemoor. The same man who was filmed last year being arrested, saying that he couldn't breathe because of the chokehold and despite passers-by querying his treatment

[carinaman]

Paul Dishman said:

Devon & Cornwall have appalling senior leadership, no body has taken responsibility for a death in custody in 2010, and recently they've had another death in custody of a black man taken from Cowley Bridge Rd in Exeter to Torquay, rather than the new multi-million pound Exeter police station at Middlemoor. The same man who was filmed last year being arrested, saying that he couldn't breathe because of the chokehold and despite passers-by querying his treatment.

I saw they'd taken him to Torquay and not the super duper replacement for Heavitree where officers snuffed out vulnerable Thomas Orchard in October 2012, but it was reported that Simeon Francis had family in Teignmouth so perhaps they thought it would be easier for him to get to Teignmouth from Torquay when he was released?

[Paul Dishman]

carinaman said:

I saw they'd taken him to Torquay and not the super duper replacement for Heavitree where officers snuffed out vulnerable Thomas Orchard in October 2012, but it was reported that Simeon Francis had family in Teignmouth so perhaps they thought it would be easier for him to get to Teignmouth from Torquay when he was released?

Would they really do that? It's another 30 mins drive

[Bigends]

Paul Dishman said:

carinaman said:

I saw they'd taken him to Torquay and not the super duper replacement for Heavitree where officers snuffed out vulnerable Thomas Orchard in October 2012, but it was reported that Simeon Francis had family in Teignmouth so perhaps they thought it would be easier for him to get to Teignmouth from Torquay when he was released?

Would they really do that? It's another 30 mins drive

I never remember proximity to home or relatives being taken into account when taken someone to a custody unit.

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 2nd July 19:26

[carinaman]

Bigends said:

Paul Dishman said:

carinaman said:

I saw they'd taken him to Torquay and not the super duper replacement for Heavitree where officers snuffed out vulnerable Thomas Orchard in October 2012, but it was reported that Simeon Francis had family in Teignmouth so perhaps they thought it would be easier for him to get to Teignmouth from Torquay when he was released?

Would they really do that? It's another 30 mins drive

I never remember proximity to home or relatives being taken into account when taken someone to a custody unit.

When Simeon Francis was reportedly taken into custody on or near Cowley Bridge in Exeter I've no idea why they would have taken him to Torquay rather than the new super duper police station and custody suite just around the corner from M5 Services in Exeter.

It was a quiet night and they fancied a drive perhaps? Perhaps the new custody suite was full or they were keeping every other cell empty in the new Exeter custody suite so as to avoid detainees spreading Covid-19 between themselves or they had a rota where each vacated cell had to be properly Covid-19 secure cleaned before putting anyone else in it?

Perhaps we should drop it as we've crossed over from political appointee Police and Crime Commissioners to operational policing, a boundary PCC Hernandez crossed when she reportedly Tweeted about a live case possibly committing Contempt of Court.

[Mojooo]

Silly tweet but I doubt that could cause a trial/case to collapse.

By definition if the suspect is charged then it means the Police (of which she is a part) thinks he/she if the offender/guilty.