£70 parking fine for 15 mins.
Discussion
If you took 2 young kids with you to do the main monthly shop, went into the restaurant for some lunch, looking at all the toys, bought some clothes, etc. it could easily take over 3 hours from parking, walking in, shopping, eating, queuing for check out, paying and bagging, walking to the car, loading it and driving out.
If the 'speculative parking invoice' is sent to the CEO of Sainsbury, the local store manager and a copy to the local paper, asking if this is reasonable after spending £xxx in the store.
In fact a good expression is to ask 'Do you think I am being unreasonable? If you do I shall pay this invoice, contact you about it no more, but take it as a hint that you don't want people in your store who have children and who, therefore, take a long while to spend their money there and shall have to shop elsewhere in future'. I can virtually guarantee that the invoice will be quickly cancelled and a voucher for a few quid may come your way as well. Be totally polite and say that after being a customer for years, this has come as a big disappointment, although you can take a hint to shop elsewhere.
If the 'speculative parking invoice' is sent to the CEO of Sainsbury, the local store manager and a copy to the local paper, asking if this is reasonable after spending £xxx in the store.
In fact a good expression is to ask 'Do you think I am being unreasonable? If you do I shall pay this invoice, contact you about it no more, but take it as a hint that you don't want people in your store who have children and who, therefore, take a long while to spend their money there and shall have to shop elsewhere in future'. I can virtually guarantee that the invoice will be quickly cancelled and a voucher for a few quid may come your way as well. Be totally polite and say that after being a customer for years, this has come as a big disappointment, although you can take a hint to shop elsewhere.
Funkycoldribena said:
speedyguy said:
I've seen a couple of whiny, bullsh!t letters to MP's and ministers on this recently, in both cases the 'whiny moaners' were taking the p!ss and even stated it in the letters but that doesn't make good PR like "banning clamping" did with the resultant balls up.
Maybe the parking companies should stop taking the piss and make it a more reasonable "fine"like 25 quid then maybe there wouldnt be such a debate over this,maybe they should stop "fining" people for returning to the carpark later in the day,maybe they should allow for more reasonable lengths of parking to go shopping in certain retail parks,for example 90 mins in one near to me.Maybe people like you who seem to have to adhere to every rule by the letter should realise its only parking a car not dumping a pile of rubbish in a space,its not exactly that outrageous as some make out on here.I'm not interested either way except when it mithers me,
The parking co's i am aware of all allow a fair bit over the customary free parking on their sites before invoices are fired off usually to regular 'p!ss takers' as you put it.
The abolition of clamping and the invention of ANPR has been a game changer ??
Just out of interest how do you decide on £25 ?, seems fair to me but the local hospital is about to make the 'reasonable' fine £40.
I think a proportion of the installation and ongoing maintenance and administrative costs would be a fair 'fine' for p!sstakers ??
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidanc...
Sec 16 page 23
Charges for breaking a parking contract must be reasonable and a genuine pre-
estimate of loss. This means charges must compensate the landholder only for
the loss they are likely to suffer because the parking contract has been broken.
For example, to cover the unpaid charges and the administrative costs
associated with issuing the ticket to recover the charges. Charges may not be
set at higher levels than necessary to recover business losses and the intention
should not be to penalise the driver.
I suppose that line prevents 'p!ss takers' being ripped off ?
Funkycoldribena said:
Maybe the parking companies should stop taking the piss and make it a more reasonable "fine"like 25 quid then maybe there wouldnt be such a debate over this,maybe they should stop "fining" people for returning to the carpark later in the day,maybe they should allow for more reasonable lengths of parking to go shopping in certain retail parks,for example 90 mins in one near to me.Maybe people like you who seem to have to adhere to every rule by the letter should realise its only parking a car not dumping a pile of rubbish in a space,its not exactly that outrageous as some make out on here.
It rather depends on your definition of reasonable. I suspect that you will find that £25 is not particularly reasonable to the car park management company. The costs of managing a car park are surprisingly high. You either need to pay an individual to monitor it, or you need to do it electronically. If the latter you need to buy, maintain and service the kit, there is then the administrative office costs to cover, staff, rent, rates, services etc. Most of these costs are fixed irrespective of the charge, and the charge has to be enough to provide a deterrent.Personally having never picked up one of these fines I'd consider £70 reasonable. After all in theory the higher the fine the lower the cost to the owner of the car park, so the lower prices they can charge in the shops!
Chrisgr31 said:
Personally having never picked up one of these fines I'd consider £70 reasonable. After all in theory the higher the fine the lower the cost to the owner of the car park, so the lower prices they can charge in the shops!
So when you are one minute over and the CCTV clocks you, would you consider £70 reasonable.As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
If you're browsing a supermarket for 3 hours with children you deserve to be fined. Not for parking but for poor parenting. Is that some kind of day out? Go to a park, castle, museum, anywhere... But a supermarket? And you wonder why UK children grow up to be materialistic little s
tes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that?
However I actually suspect you just fking parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.
Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.
tes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that? However I actually suspect you just f
king parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.
Vipers said:
So when you are one minute over and the CCTV clocks you, would you consider £70 reasonable.
As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
Well the rules are the rules. I have no idea if there is an element of grace built in or not. I suspect the aversion to paying in many of these cases is similar to resentment over speed cameras. In that people are annoyed they have been caught, even more annoyed they have been caught electronically, and even more annoyed that in reality it is there own fault.As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
None of this will of course stop me being annoyed when/if I am caught, but I do know how to avoid getting caught, and thats by obeying the rules!
Blown2CV said:
If you're browsing a supermarket for 3 hours with children you deserve to be fined. Not for parking but for poor parenting. Is that some kind of day out? Go to a park, castle, museum, anywhere... But a supermarket? And you wonder why UK children grow up to be materialistic little stes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that?
However I actually suspect you just fking parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.
Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.
In the run-up to Christmas? tes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that? However I actually suspect you just f
king parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.
Browse the toy section gauging the reaction of the children to the various offering. Visit toilets.
Check out what TV's are on special offer because the one in the corner of the lounge has been there 15 years already. Ooo what's that smell? Visit baby changing room. It's a nasty one so that's another 10 minutes gone.
Do the maths on the assorted offers for wine/beer/fizz to work out how much to put in the trolley to optimise your spend. "I'm hungry!" Off to the cafe for a coffee and feed the little ones, whilst trying to take stock of what needs buying.
Out of the cafe and down to the meat aisle - no point choosing the rest of Christmas dinner until you've worked out which meat to buy! "I need a poo!"
And on
And on
I genuinely believe there is some kind of device in retail outlets which simply consumes time. Perhaps they sell it at a profit?
Chrisgr31 said:
Vipers said:
So when you are one minute over and the CCTV clocks you, would you consider £70 reasonable.
As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
Well the rules are the rules. I have no idea if there is an element of grace built in or not. I suspect the aversion to paying in many of these cases is similar to resentment over speed cameras. In that people are annoyed they have been caught, even more annoyed they have been caught electronically, and even more annoyed that in reality it is there own fault.As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
None of this will of course stop me being annoyed when/if I am caught, but I do know how to avoid getting caught, and thats by obeying the rules!
15 minutes £1.20
30 minutes £3.00
1 hour £4.70
2 hours £7.00
4 hours £9.00
8 hours £14.00
12 hours £18.50
24 hours £23.00
So I still do not consider £70 reasonable for 15 minutes.
What ever happened to common sense, they want your money, but will cut your balls off if you dare stay over three hours.
I wonder if supermarkets actually asked for Parking Eye to set up camp, or a clever salesman convinced they needed it, knowing there is dosh to be made by gullible drivers.
Vipers said:
And yet if you park in Short stay car park at Aberdeen airport, these are the rates:-
15 minutes £1.20
30 minutes £3.00
1 hour £4.70
2 hours £7.00
4 hours £9.00
8 hours £14.00
12 hours £18.50
24 hours £23.00
So I still do not consider £70 reasonable for 15 minutes.
What ever happened to common sense, they want your money, but will cut your balls off if you dare stay over three hours.
I wonder if supermarkets actually asked for Parking Eye to set up camp, or a clever salesman convinced they needed it, knowing there is dosh to be made by gullible drivers.
Do you think someone like NCP (and others forget airports with or without barriers they probably operate under special byelaws) now have a viable business model if they don't have barriers to 'prevent you leaving' the car park as a pay on exit scheme, even companies like NCP are starting to operate on ANPR now ?15 minutes £1.20
30 minutes £3.00
1 hour £4.70
2 hours £7.00
4 hours £9.00
8 hours £14.00
12 hours £18.50
24 hours £23.00
So I still do not consider £70 reasonable for 15 minutes.
What ever happened to common sense, they want your money, but will cut your balls off if you dare stay over three hours.
I wonder if supermarkets actually asked for Parking Eye to set up camp, or a clever salesman convinced they needed it, knowing there is dosh to be made by gullible drivers.
http://www.ncp.co.uk/help-centre/faq/how-do-i-appe...
Do we now have a parking free for all, as someone alluded to before about general shops is the next step the annual free for all rioting and looting if you don't like the price they charge ??
[quote=Vipers]
So when you are one minute over and the CCTV clocks you, would you consider £70 reasonable.
As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
One minute or one hour, matters not a jot. If the car park states '3hrs' then '3hrs' it is, not '3hrs- give or take a few minutes'
It's always the 'but I was ONLY.....just over the drink drive limit/just over the speed limit/ just over the 3hrs/just hanging over the double yellow lines/ just a few minutes late for the check in times etc etc.
I think that it's absolutely nonsense that anyone could spend over 3hrs in one supermarket, even if you include lunch/toilet breaks/wobbly wheel on your trolley.
Just face it, you've been caught while taking the mick and therefore should suffer the consequences.
So when you are one minute over and the CCTV clocks you, would you consider £70 reasonable.
As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
One minute or one hour, matters not a jot. If the car park states '3hrs' then '3hrs' it is, not '3hrs- give or take a few minutes'
It's always the 'but I was ONLY.....just over the drink drive limit/just over the speed limit/ just over the 3hrs/just hanging over the double yellow lines/ just a few minutes late for the check in times etc etc.
I think that it's absolutely nonsense that anyone could spend over 3hrs in one supermarket, even if you include lunch/toilet breaks/wobbly wheel on your trolley.
Just face it, you've been caught while taking the mick and therefore should suffer the consequences.
I had a similar situation to OP earlier this year. I was at a retail park and overstayed by eleven minutes and got a letter through the post for a £70 fine/invoice
I went on Money Saving Expert's sub forum of Parking for advice. I copied and pasted a template and emailed the parking company (G24). Less than a week later the £70 was waived
I went on Money Saving Expert's sub forum of Parking for advice. I copied and pasted a template and emailed the parking company (G24). Less than a week later the £70 was waived
Blown2CV said:
If you're browsing a supermarket for 3 hours with children you deserve to be fined. Not for parking but for poor parenting. Is that some kind of day out? Go to a park, castle, museum, anywhere... But a supermarket? And you wonder why UK children grow up to be materialistic little stes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that?
However I actually suspect you just fking parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.
Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.
If you're browsing Pistonheads 5 hours after New Years Eve you deserve to be fined. Not for browsing but for being a poor human. Is this something you consider fun ? Go for a walk, make the missus breakfast in bed, check the kids..... But on Pistonheads ? And you wonder why you're writing ranty posts when the rest of us have a hangover or are welcoming in the new year ? Did you post on Facebook after that ?tes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that? However I actually suspect you just f
king parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.
Etc etc ....
Issi said:
Vipers said:
So when you are one minute over and the CCTV clocks you, would you consider £70 reasonable.
As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
One minute or one hour, matters not a jot. If the car park states '3hrs' then '3hrs' it is, not '3hrs- give or take a few minutes'
It's always the 'but I was ONLY.....just over the drink drive limit/just over the speed limit/ just over the 3hrs/just hanging over the double yellow lines/ just a few minutes late for the check in times etc etc.
I think that it's absolutely nonsense that anyone could spend over 3hrs in one supermarket, even if you include lunch/toilet breaks/wobbly wheel on your trolley.
Just face it, you've been caught while taking the mick and therefore should suffer the consequences.
I am still waiting for a response to my letter to "Parking Eye", what if we spend our 3 hour stint shopping and leave, only to return 30 minutes later for petrol, the access to the petrol station passes the same camera for those entering Sainsburys supermarket car park.As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
One minute or one hour, matters not a jot. If the car park states '3hrs' then '3hrs' it is, not '3hrs- give or take a few minutes'
It's always the 'but I was ONLY.....just over the drink drive limit/just over the speed limit/ just over the 3hrs/just hanging over the double yellow lines/ just a few minutes late for the check in times etc etc.
I think that it's absolutely nonsense that anyone could spend over 3hrs in one supermarket, even if you include lunch/toilet breaks/wobbly wheel on your trolley.
Just face it, you've been caught while taking the mick and therefore should suffer the consequences.
Does this come under the "No return within 2 hours" crap?
Vipers said:
Chrisgr31 said:
Vipers said:
So when you are one minute over and the CCTV clocks you, would you consider £70 reasonable.
As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
Well the rules are the rules. I have no idea if there is an element of grace built in or not. I suspect the aversion to paying in many of these cases is similar to resentment over speed cameras. In that people are annoyed they have been caught, even more annoyed they have been caught electronically, and even more annoyed that in reality it is there own fault.As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
None of this will of course stop me being annoyed when/if I am caught, but I do know how to avoid getting caught, and thats by obeying the rules!
15 minutes £1.20
30 minutes £3.00
1 hour £4.70
2 hours £7.00
4 hours £9.00
8 hours £14.00
12 hours £18.50
24 hours £23.00
So I still do not consider £70 reasonable for 15 minutes.
What ever happened to common sense, they want your money, but will cut your balls off if you dare stay over three hours.
I wonder if supermarkets actually asked for Parking Eye to set up camp, or a clever salesman convinced they needed it, knowing there is dosh to be made by gullible drivers.
It isn't £70 for 15 mins, it's £70 for abusing the owner and the other customers. It's to stop people parking there while they go into town or meeting their friends for car sharing.
Issi]ipers said:
So when you are one minute over and the CCTV clocks you, would you consider £70 reasonable.
As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
One minute or one hour, matters not a jot. If the car park states '3hrs' then '3hrs' it is, not '3hrs- give or take a few minutes'
It's always the 'but I was ONLY.....just over the drink drive limit/just over the speed limit/ just over the 3hrs/just hanging over the double yellow lines/ just a few minutes late for the check in times etc etc.
I think that it's absolutely nonsense that anyone could spend over 3hrs in one supermarket, even if you include lunch/toilet breaks/wobbly wheel on your trolley.
Just face it, you've been caught while taking the mick and therefore should suffer the consequences.
It's great you follow every rule to the letter because while your quite happy blindly paying through the nose for your misdemeanors the rest of us can carry on ignoring the ppcs.You filling up their coffers keeps them off my back.As far as I know, the fine is not pro rarta, exceed time limit, wallop £70 thank you.
One minute or one hour, matters not a jot. If the car park states '3hrs' then '3hrs' it is, not '3hrs- give or take a few minutes'
It's always the 'but I was ONLY.....just over the drink drive limit/just over the speed limit/ just over the 3hrs/just hanging over the double yellow lines/ just a few minutes late for the check in times etc etc.
I think that it's absolutely nonsense that anyone could spend over 3hrs in one supermarket, even if you include lunch/toilet breaks/wobbly wheel on your trolley.
Just face it, you've been caught while taking the mick and therefore should suffer the consequences.
Funkycoldribena said:
It's great you follow every rule to the letter because while your quite happy blindly paying through the nose for your misdemeanors the rest of us can carry on ignoring the ppcs.You filling up their coffers keeps them off my back.
If he abides by the conditions to park, how will he fill the PPC coffers?oldcynic said:
Blown2CV said:
If you're browsing a supermarket for 3 hours with children you deserve to be fined. Not for parking but for poor parenting. Is that some kind of day out? Go to a park, castle, museum, anywhere... But a supermarket? And you wonder why UK children grow up to be materialistic little stes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that?
However I actually suspect you just fking parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.
Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.
In the run-up to Christmas? tes? Did you spend 3hrs in McDonald's as a treat after that? However I actually suspect you just f
king parked in the supermarket car park, then fked off into town to do other things. So, you got gripped. The thug life just chose you. Ignore the fine and try to style it out, or play the whiny little bh and lie about spending oh so much money in the supermarket on beans and flower pots bit oh sorry I've lost the receipt. Have some self respect and either pay the fker or ignore it.Write to Mr Sainsos my ring piece.
Browse the toy section gauging the reaction of the children to the various offering. Visit toilets.
Check out what TV's are on special offer because the one in the corner of the lounge has been there 15 years already. Ooo what's that smell? Visit baby changing room. It's a nasty one so that's another 10 minutes gone.
Do the maths on the assorted offers for wine/beer/fizz to work out how much to put in the trolley to optimise your spend. "I'm hungry!" Off to the cafe for a coffee and feed the little ones, whilst trying to take stock of what needs buying.
Out of the cafe and down to the meat aisle - no point choosing the rest of Christmas dinner until you've worked out which meat to buy! "I need a poo!"
And on
And on
I genuinely believe there is some kind of device in retail outlets which simply consumes time. Perhaps they sell it at a profit?
sneijder said:
If you're browsing Pistonheads 5 hours after New Years Eve you deserve to be fined. Not for browsing but for being a poor human. Is this something you consider fun ? Go for a walk, make the missus breakfast in bed, check the kids..... But on Pistonheads ? And you wonder why you're writing ranty posts when the rest of us have a hangover or are welcoming in the new year ? Did you post on Facebook after that ?
Etc etc ....
Not defending the rant but, not all of us have wife/kids, nor even wife, not all of us want to drink ourselves stupid and then not be able to think straight all the next day. Not all of us even give a stuff about "welcoming in the new year", I've no issue with those who do but it should not be used as insult if people don't. Etc etc ....
Not taking part in the annual "drink too much and fall into a gutter" festival does not make anyone a "poor human".
Edited by zarjaz1991 on Thursday 1st January 20:39
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