Roundabouts & blocking entry

[johnS2000]

Centurion07 said:

desolate said:

She is less wrong than you sounding your horn

You think so? Using my horn to make another road user aware of my presence? I thought that was actually the point...

I am assuming that as she was blocking you ,you had in fact stopped therefore the use of the horn was actually illegal (unless an emergency) .

I was once stopped (by plain clothed police in London ) for blocking the entrance when on a RA many years ago.

He kept beeping until I wound down the passenger window to ask what his problem was . It was after I had responded (not politely) that he identified his self and requested a chat with him and his partner !!

[R_U_LOCAL]

Centurion07 said:

R_U_LOCAL said:

Were you stationary?

I was, yes, because I couldn't move 'cos of a bloody police car blocking me!

Apart from a lack of courtesy, the police officer didn't commit an offence.

Sounding the horn whilst stationary, is an offence.

Just saying.

[zedx19]

Exactly how long had this copper stopped you from entering the roundabout?

[SS2.]

We've got a couple of roundabouts near here where blocking is rife - it's unnecessary and just plain rude, IMHO.

Very telling how those on the roundabout rarely make eye contact with those they've just blocked in..

[jesta1865]

R_U_LOCAL said:

Apart from a lack of courtesy, the police officer didn't commit an offence.

Sounding the horn whilst stationary, is an offence.

Just saying.

then i constantly break the law, normally sounding my horn at the people who are about to hit my normally stationary land rover that turns invisible when they try and change lanes at a set of lights near me

[HantsRat]

SS2. said:

We've got a couple of roundabouts near here where blocking is rife - it's unnecessary and just plain rude, IMHO.

Very telling how those on the roundabout rarely make eye contact with those they've just blocked in..

To be fair, I never make eye contact with anyone on my normal commute so why would I whilst sat at a roundabout?

[Zod]

R_U_LOCAL said:

Centurion07 said:

R_U_LOCAL said:

Were you stationary?

I was, yes, because I couldn't move 'cos of a bloody police car blocking me!

Apart from a lack of courtesy, the police officer didn't commit an offence.

Sounding the horn whilst stationary, is an offence.

Just saying.

If you are warning another driver who clearly has not seen you, then no it is not.

[pinchmeimdreamin]

Centurion07 said:

R_U_LOCAL said:

Were you stationary?

I was, yes, because I couldn't move 'cos of a bloody police car blocking me!

112

The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn

1. while stationary on the road

[carreauchompeur]

Horn whilst stationary is,, AFAIK, only allowed to warn of danger.

I agree this is annoying. However on the flip side I find that if you are on a very busy roundabout and so stop with a gap it's quite tricky to get started again as people keep coming/misunderstand your priority.

[grimmac]

pinchmeimdreamin said:

112

The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn

1. while stationary on the road

Or the fuller version...

112
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn

• while stationary on the road
• when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am

except when another road user poses a danger.
Law CUR reg 99

[chriscpritchard]

grimmac said:

Or the fuller version...

112
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn

• while stationary on the road
• when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am

except when another road user poses a danger.
Law CUR reg 99

Thankfully, it was not a danger!

[Derek Smith]

Centurion07 said:

I was waiting to enter a roundabout earlier when my way was blocked by a police car that stopped right in front of me because the traffic on the exit she was taking had stopped (was already stopped when she entered the roundabout and could have been seen from her entry point).

So I gave her a beep. Her hand gestures & her mouthing of "I'm a police car/I'm on a roundabout and have right of way" left me thinking she thought she was in the right.

I was under the impression that it's pretty much the same as blocking a T-junction i.e. at the very least a driving test fail, if not in fact actually illegal?

Any opinions?

Where were you going to go? If the car in front of the police car was stationary, then it is a matter of priority, the the police car had that.

I'm not sure why there should be an 'after you' moment.

[anonymous-user]

Derek Smith said:

Centurion07 said:

I was waiting to enter a roundabout earlier when my way was blocked by a police car that stopped right in front of me because the traffic on the exit she was taking had stopped (was already stopped when she entered the roundabout and could have been seen from her entry point).

So I gave her a beep. Her hand gestures & her mouthing of "I'm a police car/I'm on a roundabout and have right of way" left me thinking she thought she was in the right.

I was under the impression that it's pretty much the same as blocking a T-junction i.e. at the very least a driving test fail, if not in fact actually illegal?

Any opinions?

Where were you going to go? If the car in front of the police car was stationary, then it is a matter of priority, the the police car had that.

I'm not sure why there should be an 'after you' moment.

The number of times I've been prevented from going straight over a roundabout (2nd or 3rd exit ) by someone entering from my right with their own exit (my exit 1) blocked is laughable. A little thinking ahead would solve so many issues.

[fangio]

garyhun said:

The number of times I've been prevented from going straight over a roundabout (2nd or 3rd exit ) by someone entering from my right with their own exit (my exit 1) blocked is laughable.

I blame the driving instructors........

[LordGrover]

Happens pretty much daily on a busy twin mini roundabout on my way to work.
It's the straight-ahead I can't see you stare that makes me smile.

[Devil2575]

There are some very angry people on PH. I wonder if the heart attack rate amongst PH members is higher than the general population?

Doesn't stuff like this fall under the catagory of st that isn't worth getting worked up about?

[Centurion07]

Derek Smith said:

Where were you going to go? If the car in front of the police car was stationary, then it is a matter of priority, the the police car had that.

I'm not sure why there should be an 'after you' moment.

Straight over from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock. She had entered from 3 o'clock going to 9 o'clock and the traffic on that exit had stopped BEFORE she got anywhere near my entry point so there was no need to block me.

I was looking for clarification as to it's legality since she seemed to think she had priority PURELY because she was on a roundabout and I wondered if that trumped everything else i.e. the blocking of an entry road, which it would appear to.

My annoyance was down to the fact that 1. she could see she wasn't going to clear me before she entered the roundabout and 2. rather than stop a car length or two earlier, she drove right up to the other car and stopped me moving.

ETA: just for clarification; I only mentioned it was a police car since had what she did proved to be illegal rather than just selfish, it would've been quite a pertinent point. Not that I was going to rush up to the station and make a complaint before all the driving gods & resident BiB accuse me of being an "Eclassy".

Edited by Centurion07 on Tuesday 19th May 17:33

Edited by Centurion07 on Tuesday 19th May 17:35

[walm]

Centurion07 said:

Not that I was going to rush up to the station and make a complaint before all the driving gods & resident BiB accuse me of being an "Eclassy".

If you were Eclassy the Bib would have got out of the car, arrested you, beaten you on the way to the holding cells, refused you a duty solicitor or a phone call and then shipped you to Gitmo.

Not knowing the rules for a roundabout or for using your horn just makes you a non-PH-level driving god. AKA normal person.

[Centurion07]

walm said:

Not knowing the rules for a roundabout or for using your horn just makes you a non-PH-level driving god. AKA normal person.

Actually I knew the one about not using the horn when stationary, but that clearly is one to be ignored. Sometimes I go to an empty car park & toot my horn whilst stationary just to feel like a badboy!

Also, whilst the highway code may not specifically mention blocking a roundabout entry as illegal, it does have multiple mentions, the general gist of all them being "pay attention & don't inconvenience other drivers".

So not illegal, just arrogant.

[Cliftonite]

It is inconsiderate driving. There is a law against it, but I can't remember what it is called this week.