Police Officer Smashes Windscreen

[surveyor_101]

As soon as the guy in the car decided to play silly beggers and film the incident the officer and the met were on a hiding to nothing.

He is anti police person who has just damaged the met with his antics.

The officer seems to have got upset but the driver was not complaint and making his job difficult.

The officer backed down and looked weak or he used force.

Then the video going online the met either proscute the officer and make all offciers think twice about using force.

Or they took no action and some people would brand them corrupt.

There was never going to be a good outcome for the police.

[Alpinestars]

surveyor_101 said:

As soon as the guy in the car decided to play silly beggers and film the incident the officer and the met were on a hiding to nothing.

He is anti police person who has just damaged the met with his antics.

The officer seems to have got upset but the driver was not complaint and making his job difficult.

The officer backed down and looked weak or he used force.

Then the video going online the met either proscute the officer and make all offciers think twice about using force.

Or they took no action and some people would brand them corrupt.

There was never going to be a good outcome for the police.

The driver complied with all lawful requests. A good outcome for the police would have been to follow the law.

[catso]

surveyor_101 said:

He is anti police person who has just damaged the met with his antics.

Maybe, but do you not think the Police Officer caused far more damage to the Met with his antics?

[Markbarry1977]

I've got to say this officer is a bit of a prat. The driver can be seen to put the key on the dashboard and raise his hands during the stop.

If there was some bat st crazy police officer armed with a knife, Cs spray etc going appocolyptic outside my car window I would be more inclined to stay in the car where it's safe than get out.

Now if the police officers attitude had been better and he politely asked me to get out the car I would. As far as this victim is concerned he had done nothing wrong and didn't expect to be treated in this manner (case of mistaken identity).

[surveyor_101]

Alpinestars said:

The driver complied with all lawful requests. A good outcome for the police would have been to follow the law.

The driver fails to get out of the car, its a reasonable request when an officer thinks you should nt be driving.

He nevers offers to identify himself leaving the officer in a tricky spot.

You can't just give up when you don't know who is driving and they won't give you id or get our of the car.

[PurpleAki]

You are under no obligation to get out of your car.

[surveyor_101]

Markbarry1977 said:

I've got to say this officer is a bit of a prat. The driver can be seen to put the key on the dashboard and raise his hands during the stop.

If there was some bat st crazy police officer armed with a knife, Cs spray etc going appocolyptic outside my car window I would be more inclined to stay in the car where it's safe than get out.

Now if the police officers attitude had been better and he politely asked me to get out the car I would. As far as this victim is concerned he had done nothing wrong and didn't expect to be treated in this manner (case of mistaken identity).

he was awkward and obstructive.

He locked himself in and started filiming, normal law abiding people get out and identify themselves.

That said he does seem to get very angry, very quickly.

If the driver had been compliant it could of all been avoided.

[surveyor_101]

PurpleAki said:

You are under no obligation to get out of your car.

If the police think your not supposed to be driving and you haven't given your details or licence what else are they to do?

Let him go as he is being awkward?

[Alpinestars]

surveyor_101 said:

PurpleAki said:

You are under no obligation to get out of your car.

If the police think your not supposed to be driving and you haven't given your details or licence what else are they to do?

Let him go as he is being awkward?

Are the police above the law? Or are you aware of a law that says someone has to get out of their car when asked to, and when not under arrest?

[Alpinestars]

surveyor_101 said:

The driver fails to get out of the car, its a reasonable request when an officer thinks you should nt be driving.

He nevers offers to identify himself leaving the officer in a tricky spot.

You can't just give up when you don't know who is driving and they won't give you id or get our of the car.

No it didn't.

He has the power of arrest, and then the ability to use reasonable force. No arrest was made. He broke the law.

[Peperami]

PurpleAki said:

You are under no obligation to get out of your car.

You are under an obligation to provide your details though. And driving documents.

The guy in the car was being awkward and obstructive, but the officer didn't think his course of actions through and saw red. This is what makes it look so bad.

Both in the wrong in their own little ways, but the officer might get his bottom slapped due to the way that his actions are perceived

Edited by Peperami on Friday 21st April 15:51

[Peperami]

Alpinestars said:

No it didn't.

He has the power of arrest, and then the ability to use reasonable force. No arrest was made. He broke the law.

He can use force in order to make the arrest.

It makes the law (and his intentions) clearer if he makes the arrest first, but it doesn't mean that he's broken the law because he hasn't.

[surveyor_101]

Alpinestars said:

No it didn't.

He has the power of arrest, and then the ability to use reasonable force. No arrest was made. He broke the law.

Ok what would you have done?

He thought the driver was disqual for reasons not known to us, so that would of resulted in an arrest.

The driver was non complaint but also never offers any information to confirm his identity.

What do you? Not loose your temper and go swiss army knife but the guy is not helping.

[surveyor_101]

Peperami said:

You are under an obligation to provide your details though. And driving documents.

The guy in the car was being awkward and obstructive, but the officer didn't think his course of actions through and saw red. This is what makes it look so bad.

Both in the wrong in their own little ways, but the officer might get his bottom slapped due to the way that his actions are perceived

Edited by Peperami on Friday 21st April 15:51

Agreed guy in car is a unhelpful twit, PC Savage lost his cool.


Normal law abiding folk are happy to identify themselves and if that means 5 mins sat in a police car while officers make checks so be it I always carry my driving licence when operating a vehicle so I can easily prove my identity.

If I didn't want to get out of the car I would at least have my licence out and give the officer my details.

The police from experience deal with people who are obstructive and awkward 8/10 of them will have something to hide the others will just be anti police and just like playing up.

[funkyrobot]

Apt name.

[Motorrad]

PurpleAki said:

You are under no obligation to get out of your car.

Indeed.
Requests are just that, it's lawful orders which you must comply with.
The appropriately named PC Savage is exactly the kind of Officer who would give me concerns about my safety and liberty if I was ever to cross his path.

[Alpinestars]

surveyor_101 said:

Alpinestars said:

No it didn't.

He has the power of arrest, and then the ability to use reasonable force. No arrest was made. He broke the law.

Ok what would you have done?

He thought the driver was disqual for reasons not known to us, so that would of resulted in an arrest.

The driver was non complaint but also never offers any information to confirm his identity.

What do you? Not loose your temper and go swiss army knife but the guy is not helping.

Arrest him. That way you have he option of reasonable force. Without an arrest, in the circumstances, force is illegal.

[Alpinestars]

Peperami said:

Alpinestars said:

No it didn't.

He has the power of arrest, and then the ability to use reasonable force. No arrest was made. He broke the law.

He can use force in order to make the arrest.

It makes the law (and his intentions) clearer if he makes the arrest first, but it doesn't mean that he's broken the law because he hasn't.

No arrest was made. On the basis of the evidence, the CPS has enough evidence to "more likely than not" obtain a conviction.

[Peperami]

Alpinestars said:

No arrest was made. On the basis of the evidence, the CPS has enough evidence to "more likely than not" obtain a conviction.

I've not been through the whole of this thread, but does he not arrest the male at any point after removal from the vehicle? (After sawing it open like a tin of beans )

[Alpinestars]

Peperami said:

Alpinestars said:

No arrest was made. On the basis of the evidence, the CPS has enough evidence to "more likely than not" obtain a conviction.

I've not been through the whole of this thread, but does he not arrest the male at any point after removal from the vehicle? (After sawing it open like a tin of beans )

Nope. As confirmed by the Met.