Dashcam - Asking for trouble?
Discussion
tapereel said:
ModernAndy said:
esxste said:
ModernAndy said:
Can you get a dashcam that doesn't record speed or at least has a setting where you can turn this feature completely off? I ask not because I plan on setting fire to the road but because up here in Scotland there's a lot of talk about prosecuting anything above the speed limit so showing 72mph on the motorway could technically be a risk.
Speed can be worked out from the footage. Simple calculation of distance over time to get speed. While this wouldn't be accurate enough for +2 mph over 70 - it would be enough to prosecute 100+. I've yet to fit a dash cam but am seriously considering it. As above, my issue is some over-zealous copper taking issue if I hit, for the sake of argument, 75mph on a 70mph road. I'd go with one that doesn't record speed (even in the background) if I do fit one.
Short Grain said:
1878 said:
untakenname said:
Some Amberella chipset dashcams can be changed so that the gps speed can be set to mph but have kph shown on the osd so if you're doing 100mph it shows you as doing 60 instead.
But 100mph is 160 kph or am I just inviting a parrot?Edited by untakenname on Friday 28th October 13:28
So you're doing 100mph, but it reads 100kph on screen, which is really 60mph. Because, obviously, the difference won't be easy to twig by anybody watching the video.
Trabi601 said:
I'm with the Germans and Austrians on dashcams.
Invasion of privacy - should be banned.
That's not what German law says.Invasion of privacy - should be banned.
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-problem-with-das...
TooMany2cvs said:
Trabi601 said:
I'm with the Germans and Austrians on dashcams.
Invasion of privacy - should be banned.
That's not what German law says.Invasion of privacy - should be banned.
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-problem-with-das...
Police can seize anyone's equipment and media if the suspect them of being a terrorist.
If the footage was 3d party journalistic in nature they can seize and or view your media (usually together with your camera) but only with a court order. I would never give them my camera but I would always provide footage - most of them are fine with that. In fact they took an accredited pro press mate's drone recently (after crashing it) and I know the out of court settlement for that
You dashcam however is i'm afraid totally fair game if they suspect YOU of being part of an offence or part of their investigation. And don't think for a second that a sneaky format would wipe it clean at all! You'd need to chew and swallow the card Mr Bond!
If the footage was 3d party journalistic in nature they can seize and or view your media (usually together with your camera) but only with a court order. I would never give them my camera but I would always provide footage - most of them are fine with that. In fact they took an accredited pro press mate's drone recently (after crashing it) and I know the out of court settlement for that
You dashcam however is i'm afraid totally fair game if they suspect YOU of being part of an offence or part of their investigation. And don't think for a second that a sneaky format would wipe it clean at all! You'd need to chew and swallow the card Mr Bond!
For me the benefit of having a camera should anything happen far outweighs anything else. I have a 64GB card so it covers the car when parked for a while. But just to clarify, I don't do anything stupid these days and just plod along.
My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
Ken Figenus said:
Police can seize anyone's equipment and media if the suspect them of being a terrorist.
If the footage was 3d party journalistic in nature they can seize and or view your media (usually together with your camera) but only with a court order. I would never give them my camera but I would always provide footage - most of them are fine with that. In fact they took an accredited pro press mate's drone recently (after crashing it) and I know the out of court settlement for that
You dashcam however is i'm afraid totally fair game if they suspect YOU of being part of an offence or part of their investigation. And don't think for a second that a sneaky format would wipe it clean at all! You'd need to chew and swallow the card Mr Bond!
Surely a dashcam is just another camera why isnt it subject of the same seizure rules as my hand held DSLR if i'm out snapping or videoing in public?
If the footage was 3d party journalistic in nature they can seize and or view your media (usually together with your camera) but only with a court order. I would never give them my camera but I would always provide footage - most of them are fine with that. In fact they took an accredited pro press mate's drone recently (after crashing it) and I know the out of court settlement for that
You dashcam however is i'm afraid totally fair game if they suspect YOU of being part of an offence or part of their investigation. And don't think for a second that a sneaky format would wipe it clean at all! You'd need to chew and swallow the card Mr Bond!
Surely a dashcam is just another camera why isnt it subject of the same seizure rules as my hand held DSLR if i'm out snapping or videoing in public?
Lgfst said:
For me the benefit of having a camera should anything happen far outweighs anything else. I have a 64GB card so it covers the car when parked for a while. But just to clarify, I don't do anything stupid these days and just plod along.
My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
Would it not be better to have a decoy SD card on standby and just swap them and hide the incriminating one?My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
ModernAndy said:
Lgfst said:
For me the benefit of having a camera should anything happen far outweighs anything else. I have a 64GB card so it covers the car when parked for a while. But just to clarify, I don't do anything stupid these days and just plod along.
My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
Would it not be better to have a decoy SD card on standby and just swap them and hide the incriminating one?My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
Lgfst said:
For me the benefit of having a camera should anything happen far outweighs anything else. I have a 64GB card so it covers the car when parked for a while. But just to clarify, I don't do anything stupid these days and just plod along.
My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
Having worked in the field, if you believe formatting an SD card, or even continuously using one and overwriting, will destroy all evidence, you are sadly mistaken... it's easily retrievable.My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
Bigends said:
ModernAndy said:
Lgfst said:
For me the benefit of having a camera should anything happen far outweighs anything else. I have a 64GB card so it covers the car when parked for a while. But just to clarify, I don't do anything stupid these days and just plod along.
My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
Would it not be better to have a decoy SD card on standby and just swap them and hide the incriminating one?My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
youngsyr said:
Bigends said:
ModernAndy said:
Lgfst said:
For me the benefit of having a camera should anything happen far outweighs anything else. I have a 64GB card so it covers the car when parked for a while. But just to clarify, I don't do anything stupid these days and just plod along.
My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
Would it not be better to have a decoy SD card on standby and just swap them and hide the incriminating one?My camera doesn't display the date/time/speed on the recording but it does save the GPS data on the file, so running the file through something like registry edit shows all time and speed data with location.
With a biker, there is no way to delete the footage 'on the go' or remove the SD card (as it's on your helmet usually). Thinking about a camera in a car, the SD card could be removed in a second then disposed of or if I think about mine, all I'd have to do is stop recording, menu, down 4 times and that is format SD card, confirm, blank SD card.
I've been thinking about getting one, but I can't stand the thought it might make me turn into one of these 's you see on YouTube blasting their horn at every little mistake other people might make, just to get some content for YouTube.
As for people saying it makes them drive safer, what makes me drive safer is the doubling of my insurance prices n the last year despite me now having 4 years no claims and 4 years driving, 27yr old and paying a grand a year. 450 last year albeit in a less powerful car.
fk people who get a camera and think they are some kind of traffic cop, and the camera will protect them.
As for people saying it makes them drive safer, what makes me drive safer is the doubling of my insurance prices n the last year despite me now having 4 years no claims and 4 years driving, 27yr old and paying a grand a year. 450 last year albeit in a less powerful car.
fk people who get a camera and think they are some kind of traffic cop, and the camera will protect them.
tapereel said:
- Can the Police seize dash cam footage if suspected speeding?
They can seize any dashcam footage if they suspect it may assist in the detection of a crime.
- In the event of an accident, is all the footage shown/analysed or can you only show short series of the events leading up to the crash and the incident itself?
If you want to use video footage then edited clips will not be admissible and any opposing parties will demand contiguous video records if you want to have material admitted.
- Are any of the cams encrypted so only you can access the footage?
See answer above; you will need to decrypt all of the material not just clips convenient to your part of the case.
HEre are some samples of dashcam/video evidence that has been seized and used in evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFB05gZ5JQM
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/july/biker...
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/24/biker-caught-speedin...
http://www.driving.co.uk/news/fast-footage-why-pol...
http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/video-police-r...
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/w...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...
http://www.wrexham.com/news/video-driver-sentenced...
Asking for trouble? Yer' Darn Tootin'
From what i can tell none of those were seized at the roadsideThey can seize any dashcam footage if they suspect it may assist in the detection of a crime.
- In the event of an accident, is all the footage shown/analysed or can you only show short series of the events leading up to the crash and the incident itself?
If you want to use video footage then edited clips will not be admissible and any opposing parties will demand contiguous video records if you want to have material admitted.
- Are any of the cams encrypted so only you can access the footage?
See answer above; you will need to decrypt all of the material not just clips convenient to your part of the case.
HEre are some samples of dashcam/video evidence that has been seized and used in evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFB05gZ5JQM
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/july/biker...
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/24/biker-caught-speedin...
http://www.driving.co.uk/news/fast-footage-why-pol...
http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/video-police-r...
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/w...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...
http://www.wrexham.com/news/video-driver-sentenced...
Asking for trouble? Yer' Darn Tootin'
With the exception of the biker group, who's cameras were recovered after they ditched them, all the others seem to relate to footage posted online.
S0updr4g0n said:
Having worked in the field, if you believe formatting an SD card, or even continuously using one and overwriting, will destroy all evidence, you are sadly mistaken... it's easily retrievable.
Recovering from a simply formatted card yes, but how from one that's been overwritten? The amount of information stored on the card is fixed.ging84 said:
tapereel said:
- Can the Police seize dash cam footage if suspected speeding?
They can seize any dashcam footage if they suspect it may assist in the detection of a crime.
- In the event of an accident, is all the footage shown/analysed or can you only show short series of the events leading up to the crash and the incident itself?
If you want to use video footage then edited clips will not be admissible and any opposing parties will demand contiguous video records if you want to have material admitted.
- Are any of the cams encrypted so only you can access the footage?
See answer above; you will need to decrypt all of the material not just clips convenient to your part of the case.
HEre are some samples of dashcam/video evidence that has been seized and used in evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFB05gZ5JQM
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/july/biker...
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/24/biker-caught-speedin...
http://www.driving.co.uk/news/fast-footage-why-pol...
http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/video-police-r...
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/w...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...
http://www.wrexham.com/news/video-driver-sentenced...
Asking for trouble? Yer' Darn Tootin'
From what i can tell none of those were seized at the roadsideThey can seize any dashcam footage if they suspect it may assist in the detection of a crime.
- In the event of an accident, is all the footage shown/analysed or can you only show short series of the events leading up to the crash and the incident itself?
If you want to use video footage then edited clips will not be admissible and any opposing parties will demand contiguous video records if you want to have material admitted.
- Are any of the cams encrypted so only you can access the footage?
See answer above; you will need to decrypt all of the material not just clips convenient to your part of the case.
HEre are some samples of dashcam/video evidence that has been seized and used in evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFB05gZ5JQM
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/july/biker...
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/24/biker-caught-speedin...
http://www.driving.co.uk/news/fast-footage-why-pol...
http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/video-police-r...
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/w...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...
http://www.wrexham.com/news/video-driver-sentenced...
Asking for trouble? Yer' Darn Tootin'
With the exception of the biker group, who's cameras were recovered after they ditched them, all the others seem to relate to footage posted online.
Even if there is speedometer or GPS speed recorded the relative accuracy of those can be shown with the video timing and distance moved by the camera.
Video evidence is compelling and is usually very accurate.
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