Legality of of pushing broken bike?
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scorcher said:
Strap some roller skates under the wheels. You couldn't be "using it" as the wheels would be off the road and would be unable to turn.
Years ago, when I was reprimanded by a copper for pushing an ancient Honda 50 field bike along the pavement, I cheekily suggested that in future I could do just that with the roller skates, and he replied that it would have to be at least 6 inches off the road to be legal.Whether that was true then or now , I don't know.
Timfy said:
I need to move a motorcycle out of what is now my exes garden and to my garage so I can get it sorted for spring.
It currently won't start (something electrical, probably battery but due to being stuck where it is I'm unable to properly look at it) and is SORN with no MOT/TAX.
The distance is 3.7 miles door to door, but does go past a big police/council depot on a main road.
How much trouble would I be likely to get into if I got caught pushing it there? I'm thinking very early morning so there's fewer pedestrians etc about. I don't have a trailer or van and money is a bit tight for renting one, It's basically round the corner but would not want to get into any expensive bother over it....
Many years ago after an accident I pushed one home in a wheelbarrow, admittedly it was only a FS1E & a distance of about a mile & half but that nearly killed me. I wouldn't wanted to have pushed it for 3.7 miles. It currently won't start (something electrical, probably battery but due to being stuck where it is I'm unable to properly look at it) and is SORN with no MOT/TAX.
The distance is 3.7 miles door to door, but does go past a big police/council depot on a main road.
How much trouble would I be likely to get into if I got caught pushing it there? I'm thinking very early morning so there's fewer pedestrians etc about. I don't have a trailer or van and money is a bit tight for renting one, It's basically round the corner but would not want to get into any expensive bother over it....
Edited by Timfy on Thursday 29th December 06:03
Has the OP disappeared? I just checked on a map and in my youth I pushed my 500cc bike 1.9 miles home in my leathers & helmet on a baking hot summer day. Took me just over two hours and the only person who said anything was a lad working on his car who offered to lend me his tools to fix the bike (sadly it was the reg/rec so no chance of a fix)
Can't take him more than four hours so he should be there by now!
Can't take him more than four hours so he should be there by now!
Maybe he tried the roller skates and couldn't stop...?
Have been imagining the effort required to stop 200kgs of bike perched on two roller skates once it got any momentum - like a tv sketch involving Michael Crawford some canned laughter and crashy music......just aim for the ambulance.....
Have been imagining the effort required to stop 200kgs of bike perched on two roller skates once it got any momentum - like a tv sketch involving Michael Crawford some canned laughter and crashy music......just aim for the ambulance.....
I`d get a van.
But, if you book it in for an MOT it is actually covered under the garages trade insurance for the journey to and from and does not need a separate policy.
Little known fact but there you go. Find an on route MOT tester and check with them. Tell them it`s been off road a while and you want an MOT to find out if it needs work.
Or don`t and just book it , get it home and cancel the booking.
But, if you book it in for an MOT it is actually covered under the garages trade insurance for the journey to and from and does not need a separate policy.
Little known fact but there you go. Find an on route MOT tester and check with them. Tell them it`s been off road a while and you want an MOT to find out if it needs work.
Or don`t and just book it , get it home and cancel the booking.
cmaguire said:
The Law is often an ass. What I don't get is how some people will never concede that. And suggesting that it should be enforced when it is so patently an ass is actually morally wrong.
What planet are you on?How will conceding that the law is an ass help the OP, or anyone else for that matter?
The law is the law, and there isn't anything any of us can do about it, so it's best to try to adhere to it at all times.
If the police see an man pushing a motorbike down the street, they are more than likely going to stop him and ask him what he is doing. He may have just stolen it for all they know. And if it turns out that motorbike is untaxed, uninsured, and without an MOT, then he could easily be in big trouble, or at least what someone like you or me would consider big trouble.
You seem to think that disagreeing with silly laws will prevent you from being prosecuted.
A prime example: a friend had his classic Mini vandalised outside his house one night by some passing drunks. They booted in the front grille, snapped the front number plate off and tried to pull off a wing mirror. The next day he was driving into town and was seen by the police without his front bumper plate. They pulled him over, he explained that it had been vandalised and that he was driving into town to get a new plate. The conversation resulted in him being given a £30 ticket for not having a front plate on his car, as the officer told him he should have purchased and fitted a new plate to the car BEFORE driving on the road.
NinjaPower said:
What planet are you on?
How will conceding that the law is an ass help the OP, or anyone else for that matter?
The law is the law, and there isn't anything any of us can do about it, so it's best to try to adhere to it at all times.
If the police see an man pushing a motorbike down the street, they are more than likely going to stop him and ask him what he is doing. He may have just stolen it for all they know. And if it turns out that motorbike is untaxed, uninsured, and without an MOT, then he could easily be in big trouble, or at least what someone like you or me would consider big trouble.
You seem to think that disagreeing with silly laws will prevent you from being prosecuted.
A prime example: a friend had his classic Mini vandalised outside his house one night by some passing drunks. They booted in the front grille, snapped the front number plate off and tried to pull off a wing mirror. The next day he was driving into town and was seen by the police without his front bumper plate. They pulled him over, he explained that it had been vandalised and that he was driving into town to get a new plate. The conversation resulted in him being given a £30 ticket for not having a front plate on his car, as the officer told him he should have purchased and fitted a new plate to the car BEFORE driving on the road.
I'd call being told I had cancer was a big problem, not being stopped by a policeman for pushing a non-running bike down the street so I could get it home to work on it.How will conceding that the law is an ass help the OP, or anyone else for that matter?
The law is the law, and there isn't anything any of us can do about it, so it's best to try to adhere to it at all times.
If the police see an man pushing a motorbike down the street, they are more than likely going to stop him and ask him what he is doing. He may have just stolen it for all they know. And if it turns out that motorbike is untaxed, uninsured, and without an MOT, then he could easily be in big trouble, or at least what someone like you or me would consider big trouble.
You seem to think that disagreeing with silly laws will prevent you from being prosecuted.
A prime example: a friend had his classic Mini vandalised outside his house one night by some passing drunks. They booted in the front grille, snapped the front number plate off and tried to pull off a wing mirror. The next day he was driving into town and was seen by the police without his front bumper plate. They pulled him over, he explained that it had been vandalised and that he was driving into town to get a new plate. The conversation resulted in him being given a £30 ticket for not having a front plate on his car, as the officer told him he should have purchased and fitted a new plate to the car BEFORE driving on the road.
And the copper who gave your friend a £30 fine was an a
hole.I pushed my zzr600 home a few weeks ago. It was about a mile, and flat.
Quite a few police cars passed me:not one was even slightly interested.
This was because I was wearing full m'cycle kit, including high viz and helmet, and had my hazards on.
This was 10am in morning just after rush hour.
The bike was easy to push as the brakes aee in good nick. If the bike had been standing along time, I would free up the pads first.
If you're hiring a van, think about entry / exit first (ie strong plank?), and maybe some ratchet straps to keep it in place.
Ian
Quite a few police cars passed me:not one was even slightly interested.
This was because I was wearing full m'cycle kit, including high viz and helmet, and had my hazards on.
This was 10am in morning just after rush hour.
The bike was easy to push as the brakes aee in good nick. If the bike had been standing along time, I would free up the pads first.
If you're hiring a van, think about entry / exit first (ie strong plank?), and maybe some ratchet straps to keep it in place.
Ian
Vaud said:
Care to cite a reference for that....?
The MOT testing station I use , but having done some more checking since I typed that, it may appear that I was talking out of my ass.I have never used the clause (if it exists) and can only assume the guy was talking about the use of trade plates ? possibly ?
Anyhoo, ignore me in that case and get a van (which was my first choice anyway ).
Raygun said:
So the moral of the storey is to find someone with a van to save you all the unnecessary hard work and also to avoid spending time in a high security prison for people who commit a heinous crime like pushing a motorbike.
No specific crime in pushing a motorbike (or any other motor vehicle, for that matter), but then you already knew that.As for the moral of the storey, it's clearly a question of level.
SS2. said:
scorcher said:
Strap some roller skates under the wheels. You couldn't be "using it" as the wheels would be off the road and would be unable to turn.
How confident are you that a court wouldn't find that the bike was still being 'used' and should have been insured ?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff