13 year old runs over wife's Porsche

[twoblacklines]

You have a Porsche therefore you deserve it.


Is probably what all the poorer neighbours - and probably his parents - think.

[Vron]

This was the same response I got from the police officer when i reported white van man for throwing his McDonald's milkshake through the sunroof of my 911. Fortunately it was witnessed by an elderly couple but the upshot was nothing happened. The milkshake could be cleaned by me at my cost so not criminal damage. No dangerous driving or littering fine for white van man (the elderly couple commented he had been driving like an utter before he threw the milkshake into my car at the traffic lights).

[paulwirral]

If I'd done this at his age my own father would have kicked my arse all the way to the police station , this kids parents couldn't give a st about the kid or the car .
Make sure he gets a police record , although he'll probably see it as a badge of honour .

[InitialDave]

Vron said:

The milkshake could be cleaned by me at my cost so not criminal damage.

Sounds like bks to me. If they're going to play that game, you should've engaged a detailer to sort it out, so there was a cost. I believe there's precedent that even if the cost is "unnecessary", it still counts.

But even without that, I think it would count as criminal damage. Someone who actually knows their stuff legally can correct me on that.

[Superflow]

Sorry to hear about the damage.

The problem with the police service in the UK is they are reactionary, and not what they need to be which is preventative.

If you need an urgent police response nowadays you have to exaggerate the situation which will work most of the time,you have to play the game.

[PAULJ5555]

InitialDave said:

Vron said:

The milkshake could be cleaned by me at my cost so not criminal damage.

Sounds like bks to me. If they're going to play that game, you should've engaged a detailer to sort it out, so there was a cost. I believe there's precedent that even if the cost is "unnecessary", it still counts.

But even without that, I think it would count as criminal damage. Someone who actually knows their stuff legally can correct me on that.

Oh goodie can we chuck a milkshake at police cars with out any charges, or even a red bull.

[Loyly]

Superflow said:

Sorry to hear about the damage.

The problem with the police service in the UK is they are reactionary, and not what they need to be which is preventative.

If you need an urgent police response nowadays you have to exaggerate the situation which will work most of the time,you have to play the game.

You can't have widescale proactive policing on a tight budget. Your suggestion of telling lies or exaggerating a situation to get a response isn't particularly helpful.

[Cold Fusion]

CTE said:

Put him in court. It will be a lot of hassle for you and the police officer, but the little s**t needs to understand there are consequences....although it could backfire of course with the learned judge summing up that little Jonny is from a broken home, so bless him...?

He comes from a broken home...........yes he probably broke it.

[Superflow]

Loyly said:

You can't have widescale proactive policing on a tight budget. Your suggestion of telling lies or exaggerating a situation to get a response isn't particularly helpful.

That is my point though,if i am in for a kicking or worse as the OP could have been had things gone wrong,the last thing i am thinking of is police budgets,it's not my problem.I just want them there as quickly as possible.

[Gareth79]

PAULJ5555 said:

InitialDave said:

Vron said:

The milkshake could be cleaned by me at my cost so not criminal damage.

Sounds like bks to me. If they're going to play that game, you should've engaged a detailer to sort it out, so there was a cost. I believe there's precedent that even if the cost is "unnecessary", it still counts.

But even without that, I think it would count as criminal damage. Someone who actually knows their stuff legally can correct me on that.

Oh goodie can we chuck a milkshake at police cars with out any charges, or even a red bull.

Or, just tip the contents over the police officer's uniform. Don't worry, you were going to wash it anyway so there is no actual cost.

edit: Seriously though, I thought criminal damage applied to anything that requires more than just minor work to remedy? It doesn't matter if that there is no cost attached, causing work is enough.

[Merc 450]

Tango13 said:

Court for the little st and his mates that egged him on.

This, and he should think his self lucky, when I was 13 he could have expected a good shoeing off the owner as well

[Bigends]

Gareth79 said:

PAULJ5555 said:

InitialDave said:

Vron said:

The milkshake could be cleaned by me at my cost so not criminal damage.

Sounds like bks to me. If they're going to play that game, you should've engaged a detailer to sort it out, so there was a cost. I believe there's precedent that even if the cost is "unnecessary", it still counts.

But even without that, I think it would count as criminal damage. Someone who actually knows their stuff legally can correct me on that.

Oh goodie can we chuck a milkshake at police cars with out any charges, or even a red bull.

Or, just tip the contents over the police officer's uniform. Don't worry, you were going to wash it anyway so there is no actual cost.

edit: Seriously though, I thought criminal damage applied to anything that requires more than just minor work to remedy? It doesn't matter if that there is no cost attached, causing work is enough.

Recording rules say that if the damage can be rectified at no cost and with minimal effort - dont record. Anything needing polish or cleaning materials to rectify would generally be recorded as damage.

[PAULJ5555]

Bigends said:

Gareth79 said:

PAULJ5555 said:

InitialDave said:

Vron said:

The milkshake could be cleaned by me at my cost so not criminal damage.

Sounds like bks to me. If they're going to play that game, you should've engaged a detailer to sort it out, so there was a cost. I believe there's precedent that even if the cost is "unnecessary", it still counts.

But even without that, I think it would count as criminal damage. Someone who actually knows their stuff legally can correct me on that.

Oh goodie can we chuck a milkshake at police cars with out any charges, or even a red bull.

Or, just tip the contents over the police officer's uniform. Don't worry, you were going to wash it anyway so there is no actual cost.

edit: Seriously though, I thought criminal damage applied to anything that requires more than just minor work to remedy? It doesn't matter if that there is no cost attached, causing work is enough.

Recording rules say that if the damage can be rectified at no cost and with minimal effort - dont record. Anything needing polish or cleaning materials to rectify would generally be recorded as damage.

But you would at the very least need water and a cloth to clean the milkshake, do they think water and a cloth are free and grow on trees. I cant see a milkshake needing minimal effort as milk stinks when spilt in a car.
The car is also unusable because you haven't got time to clean it and you have to hire a car as your taking clients out. There is always a cost somewhere.

[chippy348]

Thought I would do a small up-date.

So the PC dealing with it finally turned up after chasing him for 3 days Via 101 (no other means of contact) Turns out we have no crime number (101 says we must have) the reason for no crime number as “it is not a crime yet” according to the PC.

He looks at the quote from porsche and then says they will need proof the dent was not there before hand ! I swear you could not make this up.

Fortunately it was in Porsche for its service 2 weeks ago and as part of the service they check the car for damage and provide a signed job sheet, there was no damaged reported. Without this we would be screwed.

We are now waiting to see if the parents are going to cough up and pay.

[bad company]

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

He looks at the quote from porsche and then says they will need proof the dent was not there before hand ! I swear you could not make this up.

Fortunately it was in Porsche for its service 2 weeks ago and as part of the service they check the car for damage and provide a signed job sheet, there was no damaged reported. Without this we would be screwed.

How do you prove a negative? To be picky the dent could have been caused the day before.

[Ki3r]

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

So the PC dealing with it finally turned up after chasing him for 3 days Via 101 (no other means of contact) Turns out we have no crime number (101 says we must have) the reason for no crime number as “it is not a crime yet” according to the PC.

He looks at the quote from porsche and then says they will need proof the dent was not there before hand ! I swear you could not make this up.

Fortunately it was in Porsche for its service 2 weeks ago and as part of the service they check the car for damage and provide a signed job sheet, there was no damaged reported. Without this we would be screwed.

We are now waiting to see if the parents are going to cough up and pay.

First part is bks, its criminal damage! If you have said its happened it needs to be recorded as a crime (criminal damage), then if its proved it hasn't happened they can get the crime cancelled as such.

[InitialDave]

You really couldn't make this st up, could you?

[anonymous-user]

InitialDave said:

You really couldn't make this st up, could you?

No, you absolutely could not make it up.

It's little wonder that the public have very little sympathy with the police at times.

It's like pulling teeth.

[mikeveal]

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

So the PC dealing with it finally turned up after chasing him for 3 days Via 101 (no other means of contact) Turns out we have no crime number (101 says we must have) the reason for no crime number as “it is not a crime yet” according to the PC.

Sod that. It's a crime, demand a crime number.
1/ The Police have to count it.
2/ Arriving at small claims court with a crime reference number to back up your claim has got to add weight to your case.

[Andehh]

mikeveal said:

chippy348 said:

Thought I would do a small up-date.

So the PC dealing with it finally turned up after chasing him for 3 days Via 101 (no other means of contact) Turns out we have no crime number (101 says we must have) the reason for no crime number as “it is not a crime yet” according to the PC.

Sod that. It's a crime, demand a crime number.
1/ The Police have to count it.
2/ Arriving at small claims court with a crime reference number to back up your claim has got to add weight to your case.

Agree on both accounts there! This is why * every* issue you have, that you believe is illegal, needs to be reported - it goes into the Crime Numbers.


Wife's parents both had their cars keyed in the local Train station car park. Neither reported it to the police as they knew nothing would be done about it. Issue is - if everyone took that approach we wouldn't have a police force as ''No crimes have ever been reported''.

Small one off issues won't get much attention, but if a dozen small issues are reported in an area - the Police have no choice but to look into it - if only to stop their figures getting screwed!


edit: +1 on on an appalling response from the police, ''prove it wasn't there before''!?!? How many people manage to dent their roof??