13 year old runs over wife's Porsche
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I will tell you now he won't get prosecuted! I can guarantee it!
I've had dealings with a 13yr old who's done 10x worse and the police won't prosecute
best thing to do is spk to the parents and threaten a county court judgement for the amount! But I guarantee he won't get prosecuted social services wouldn't allow it and would fight his corner and he would get legal aid
I've had dealings with a 13yr old who's done 10x worse and the police won't prosecute
best thing to do is spk to the parents and threaten a county court judgement for the amount! But I guarantee he won't get prosecuted social services wouldn't allow it and would fight his corner and he would get legal aid
TheBear said:
It's not putting the onus on you to decide what punishment should be dished out. Victims have a say in what type of police action they would like. Where I work there are a multitude of options available for victims, some of which would see you stand a far greater chance of having the repair covered by the offenders family than insisting on court.
And in any case, unless the 13 year old has a whole history of previous incidents then it will not go anywhere near a court even if you insist on it so posters advocating this are miles off the mark. The justice system does not want to have juveniles with criminal records unless all other avenues have been exhausted first and them given every chance (and more) to learn from their behaviour. The local Youth Offending Panel would take this over as it would be referred to them after the investigation was concluded if you requested formal police action.
The "Lock them up and throw away the key" approach simply just breeds criminals from a very young age.
I understand what you're saying but, having said what won't/shouldn't happen, how do you suggest the OP proceeds? Doesn't seem any good reason why he and his wife should lose out financially as a result of this ill conceived prank but if appealing to the boy's parents fails to produce a satisfactory response where can they go with this?And in any case, unless the 13 year old has a whole history of previous incidents then it will not go anywhere near a court even if you insist on it so posters advocating this are miles off the mark. The justice system does not want to have juveniles with criminal records unless all other avenues have been exhausted first and them given every chance (and more) to learn from their behaviour. The local Youth Offending Panel would take this over as it would be referred to them after the investigation was concluded if you requested formal police action.
The "Lock them up and throw away the key" approach simply just breeds criminals from a very young age.
JNW1 said:
TheBear said:
It's not putting the onus on you to decide what punishment should be dished out. Victims have a say in what type of police action they would like. Where I work there are a multitude of options available for victims, some of which would see you stand a far greater chance of having the repair covered by the offenders family than insisting on court.
And in any case, unless the 13 year old has a whole history of previous incidents then it will not go anywhere near a court even if you insist on it so posters advocating this are miles off the mark. The justice system does not want to have juveniles with criminal records unless all other avenues have been exhausted first and them given every chance (and more) to learn from their behaviour. The local Youth Offending Panel would take this over as it would be referred to them after the investigation was concluded if you requested formal police action.
The "Lock them up and throw away the key" approach simply just breeds criminals from a very young age.
I understand what you're saying but, having said what won't/shouldn't happen, how do you suggest the OP proceeds? Doesn't seem any good reason why he and his wife should lose out financially as a result of this ill conceived prank but if appealing to the boy's parents fails to produce a satisfactory response where can they go with this?And in any case, unless the 13 year old has a whole history of previous incidents then it will not go anywhere near a court even if you insist on it so posters advocating this are miles off the mark. The justice system does not want to have juveniles with criminal records unless all other avenues have been exhausted first and them given every chance (and more) to learn from their behaviour. The local Youth Offending Panel would take this over as it would be referred to them after the investigation was concluded if you requested formal police action.
The "Lock them up and throw away the key" approach simply just breeds criminals from a very young age.
TheBear said:
The "Lock them up and throw away the key" approach simply just breeds criminals from a very young age.
He's already a criminal. Can't blame the court system for that. You could possibly blame his friends, possibly blame his parents, but can definitely put the blame onto the thirteen year old vandal himself.TheBear said:
JNW1 said:
TheBear said:
It's not putting the onus on you to decide what punishment should be dished out. Victims have a say in what type of police action they would like. Where I work there are a multitude of options available for victims, some of which would see you stand a far greater chance of having the repair covered by the offenders family than insisting on court.
And in any case, unless the 13 year old has a whole history of previous incidents then it will not go anywhere near a court even if you insist on it so posters advocating this are miles off the mark. The justice system does not want to have juveniles with criminal records unless all other avenues have been exhausted first and them given every chance (and more) to learn from their behaviour. The local Youth Offending Panel would take this over as it would be referred to them after the investigation was concluded if you requested formal police action.
The "Lock them up and throw away the key" approach simply just breeds criminals from a very young age.
I understand what you're saying but, having said what won't/shouldn't happen, how do you suggest the OP proceeds? Doesn't seem any good reason why he and his wife should lose out financially as a result of this ill conceived prank but if appealing to the boy's parents fails to produce a satisfactory response where can they go with this?And in any case, unless the 13 year old has a whole history of previous incidents then it will not go anywhere near a court even if you insist on it so posters advocating this are miles off the mark. The justice system does not want to have juveniles with criminal records unless all other avenues have been exhausted first and them given every chance (and more) to learn from their behaviour. The local Youth Offending Panel would take this over as it would be referred to them after the investigation was concluded if you requested formal police action.
The "Lock them up and throw away the key" approach simply just breeds criminals from a very young age.
He's 13. He should know the difference between right and wrong. I imagine most of us on the thread would readily agree that we did at that age. If he doesn't know the difference, now is the time to be finding out, as his behaviour justifies an unpleasant outcome for him. If the parents are decent people, they should be falling over themselves to offer to pay. That shouldn't be the end of it though, if there are no consequences for him, it won't matter to him.
Don't like kids generally, these type of threads remind me why.
Don't like kids generally, these type of threads remind me why.
I think there are some parallels that can be drawn with this thread;
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Perhaps of particular relevance is this comment;
If not, take him to court.
The ultimate goal here should be ensuring it doesn't happen again, that the child understands that actions have consequences and not a vindictive witch hunt seeking revenge that could put the child in an irreconcilable downward spiral.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Perhaps of particular relevance is this comment;
cmaguire said:
The real difference is between those that are part of the system and those that aren't.
Any responsible individual that has a decent job, mortgage, savings, etc cannot afford to get on the wrong side of the State because they have the power to ruin his/her life over the most minor issues should they choose.
The individual that opts out of the system, thieves, lives off the State (i.e. the responsible taxpayers) and pays for nothing can pretty much get away with most things bar serious criminal offences (if caught) because they have nothing for the State to take or threaten.
It absolutely isn't fair but a major change in attitude from all sides is required to change that. It won't happen.
Which echoes that above; What have the parents done to resolve the matter? Any upstanding member of society would be asking the OP what they can do; i.e. pay for repairs which may be covered by their home insurance? Any responsible individual that has a decent job, mortgage, savings, etc cannot afford to get on the wrong side of the State because they have the power to ruin his/her life over the most minor issues should they choose.
The individual that opts out of the system, thieves, lives off the State (i.e. the responsible taxpayers) and pays for nothing can pretty much get away with most things bar serious criminal offences (if caught) because they have nothing for the State to take or threaten.
It absolutely isn't fair but a major change in attitude from all sides is required to change that. It won't happen.
If not, take him to court.
The ultimate goal here should be ensuring it doesn't happen again, that the child understands that actions have consequences and not a vindictive witch hunt seeking revenge that could put the child in an irreconcilable downward spiral.
Edited by Zombie on Tuesday 11th April 00:10
quigonjay said:
I don't believe giving a 13 year old kid a criminal record would be the right thing to do in this situation, especially if not been in trouble before. I think recovering the cost of repair from those responsible for him would be a far more valuable life lesson.
It is exactly the right thing to do, this YOLO generation need to understand that they are responsible for their actions, at 13 he is more than capable of knowing this BlueHave said:
imdeman87 said:
What have the parents said?
Probably something like 'meh' or ' Shhh, Jeremy Kyle is on and we might be on it'I've often found that behind every kid that does something criminal is a parent that couldn't give a toss.
A 14 year old lad was put before the panel by a magistrate for theft. He initially refused to engage with us at all (on his own no family there to support him just his case worker) so I advised him that failing to engage with us would see him returned to court where the possibility of a stay in a youth detention centre exists (very unlikely but I wasn't going to tell him that).
He broke down in tears so after a small interval he came back in and explained why he was thieving.
His mother was a heroin addict, his father borderline alcoholic and his dad had threatened to beat the living daylight out of him if he did get him some money.
I remember talking to his support worker afterwards. The poor women was practically in tears as she knew all that would likely happen was a visit to the parents and maybe a monitoring order. She quit soon after despondent that disputed her best efforts she was fighting with both hands tied behind her back.
Sorry but nothing will come if this IF it's his first offence as it's classed as minor.
Ask for a form of restorative justice, bit of community service on a Sunday at 8am will put it into perspective for him. I'd definitely go for the parents paying for the damage, push this hard. Sad thing is if he's an idiot with idiot parents he'll not give a toss about it, maybe you'll get lucky.
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