Caught doing 88MPH in a 50

[cmaguire]

battered said:

No, I'm perfectly capable of making decisions about safe speeds under varying conditions thanks. I'm also capable of driving within reasonable sight of a speed limit too. 38 mph over isn't within reasonable sight.

That would depend on whether the limit is reasonable in the first place.
It's difficult to take many of the limits seriously these days, so I don't. Following people doing 40 in 60's is becoming ever more frequent and that is tedious too, and likely a result of the continuous anti-speed brain-washing that goes on all the time nowadays.
The fact that the OP could have his licence suspended for this is ridiculous. It's trivial.

[battered]

cmaguire said:

That would depend on whether the limit is reasonable in the first place.
It's difficult to take many of the limits seriously these days, so I don't.

I can tell. This sentence tells me all I need to know about you:

cmaguire said:

I don't know whether I know that stretch or not, I haven't bothered to look, and won't, because it's irrelevant and I don't care.

You haven't bothered to look, you won't look. you don't care and still you know best. Of course you do. I hope you're not on the same bit of the M62 as you any time soon. You're a liability.

[cb31]

battered said:

You haven't bothered to look, you won't look. you don't care and still you know best. Of course you do. I hope you're not on the same bit of the M62 as you any time soon. You're a liability.

How many people died as a result of the OP's ridiculous speeding? Yes it was wrong but let's not pretend it was the worst crime in the world. As people have stated burglars get away with less punishments which is laughable, our society has gone wrong somewhere.

[cmaguire]

battered said:

You haven't bothered to look, you won't look. you don't care and still you know best. Of course you do. I hope you're not on the same bit of the M62 as you any time soon. You're a liability.

Somewhat contradictory, but I did look as the OP had linked what he thought was the camera in his first post. I didn't go further than his link, but that looks somewhat similar to the 50 at the end of the M11. That is a joke too, and probably explains why it gets so many convictions as drivers feel comfortable exceeding the 50 and do so. More worrying is the fact they don't see the camera as it's fairly obvious, but that's a separate issue.
As to your last point, I'm happy to accomodate the antics of all other drivers and take my chances if that means our freedoms are not restricted. And I fully expect to come away from that unscathed should that happen.
In what way exactly would I be a liability in your estimation?

[battered]

No, I'm not the one saying he knows what the limit should be.

[battered]

cb31 said:

battered said:

You haven't bothered to look, you won't look. you don't care and still you know best. Of course you do. I hope you're not on the same bit of the M62 as you any time soon. You're a liability.

How many people died as a result of the OP's ridiculous speeding? Yes it was wrong but let's not pretend it was the worst crime in the world. As people have stated burglars get away with less punishments which is laughable, our society has gone wrong somewhere.

That time, nobody. One time it worded out OK. So what? I go rock climbing. On occasion, on familiar ground, I climb solo, without a rope. Does this make it a safe activity, one I should participate in all the time?

[battered]

cmaguire said:

In what way exactly would I be a liability in your estimation?

Because in your own words:
"I don't know whether I know that stretch or not, I haven't bothered to look, and won't, because it's irrelevant and I don't care."
That's why I don't want to share the roads with people like you.

[BMRuss]

I got caught doing 98 in a 50 on a motorway (very late at night, hardly any cars on the road, dry, clear evening) and I went to court, dressed smartly, apologised profusely and was awarded with a £100.00 fine and 28 day ban.

[woodyTVR]

daveinhampshire said:

I'd put a bag over your head next time then.

lol, I'll give it a go!!

[xjay1337]

woodyTVR said:

daveinhampshire said:

When you do go to court you'll be surprised how much a smart appearance and a good attitude can get you.

My experience differed to this. I was told the same, turn up early, dress smart, make polite conversation with the Court Clerk and you'll be on to a winner.

I did all of the above and was the only person there not in jeans and a t-shirt. I was last in - I presumed it was alphabetical rather than being bumped but you never know! I talked with a few people waiting to go in and the majority came out happy with their result - they were expecting worse.

I got ripped apart. I could see it on the magistrates face when I walked in all suited up - 'oh here were go, thinks he's going to sweet talk us'. He even made a snide comment about my salary when I asked him to consider the means form not just look at my salary figure.

I got 6 points and £480 for 89 in a 60 on a dual carriageway.

My friend was done for 52 in a 30.
He did the same, well dressed, polite, he said he got tore a new one.
As I've said before, as have many others, the speeding motorist is often looked down on more than many more serious crimes.
You can put someone in hospital for a week and be treated better and given a more lenient financial sentence than you do for going "a bit" over the limit.

[SS2.]

When I had my day in court (speeding allegation), I arrived clean shaven, suited & booted. In the waiting area amongst a sea of hoodies, tracksuits and Sergio Tacchini, I stuck out like a sore thumb.

Throughout the trial, the Magistrates remained very polite and were far harder on the prosecutor than they were on me.

Should I find myself in a similar situation in the future, I'd almost certainly present myself no differently.

[Oilchange]

However the mag speaks to you, it's not based on how smart you are, it's based on how much of a dick you were. They won't automatically be polite just because you are suited up...
All the talk about so and so getting less for the same offence, well its income based so no surprise really! I heard of a footballer getting a fine in the region of 10k ( if I remember rightly)
Just be respectful, apologise and be sincere. If you will suffer financial hardship or your job depends on driving, say so. They are much more likely to give points. I was expecting a fine and 7-56 and got a fine and 6. Was relieved and got on with my life.

[DSLiverpool]

That camera (on the end of the m62 at the Rocket) was installed after a driver went into the navy club wall causing life changing injury to the passenger.
It is well signposted but if your a outside lane warrior you may miss it. (Or following sat nav to get in the correct lane)

[Sa Calobra]

cb31 said:

How many people died as a result of the OP's ridiculous speeding? Yes it was wrong but let's not pretend it was the worst crime in the world. As people have stated burglars get away with less punishments which is laughable, our society has gone wrong somewhere.

Depends. You know sometimes it hits 50 limit due to an accident ahead or sudden bunching/congestion. Shock horror, there are genuine reasons why yet you still see drivers oblivious or someone important who needs to get to his tv dinner quicker than you.

[Engineer792]

DSLiverpool said:

That camera (on the end of the m62 at the Rocket) was installed after a driver went into the navy club wall causing life changing injury to the passenger.
It is well signposted but if your a outside lane warrior you may miss it. (Or following sat nav to get in the correct lane)

The camera is around half a mile before the navy club - plenty of space to slow down from normal to above motorway speeds, and, perversely, plenty of space to speed up again from 50 for those who feel so inclined.

Edited by Engineer792 on Saturday 15th April 13:32

[HJMS123]

Thought I'd update this for others, I was summoned to court and chose not to appear in person with it being so far away and seemingly making no difference according to other posters in this thread.

I 'got away' with 6 points and a £568 fine for which I'm grateful. Being 24 and driving a high powered hot hatch a ban would have meant it would genuinely be impossible for me to get insurance. It's also a lease car (only 3 months old) so it's not as if I could have just sold it and downgraded, I'm sure the increase come renewal next year will be severe enough

[superlightr]

Thanks for the update.

With the insurance - have you told them already or will wait until renewal? I think you should tell them as soon as you are aware of the points - just so you are covered and no wriggle room for them in case.

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 27th June 17:06

[MikeGoodwin]

The fine would annoy me but not be the end of the world. Assuming it was income based what's your salary region if you don't mind me asking. Pm if you want as I've always wondered what a bit of fun is going to cost me these days On circa 50k. The points would surely cost you a few hundred extra quid a year for the next 5 years which would piss me off something rotten. The new speeding fine thing is a piss take. 88 in a 50 is nothing in an average hot hatch these days. A golf r will hit 100 in a quick squirt and if caught will cost you dearly for half a decade because dangerous. Apparently.

[HJMS123]

MikeGoodwin said:

The fine would annoy me but not be the end of the world. Assuming it was income based what's your salary region if you don't mind me asking. Pm if you want as I've always wondered what a bit of fun is going to cost me these days On circa 50k. The points would surely cost you a few hundred extra quid a year for the next 5 years which would piss me off something rotten. The new speeding fine thing is a piss take. 88 in a 50 is nothing in an average hot hatch these days. A golf r will hit 100 in a quick squirt and if caught will cost you dearly for half a decade because dangerous. Apparently.

I have told my insurance so I'm covered and it has no effect until renewal whcih I'm sure will be substantial as I already pay £950 per annum!

My base salary is circa 32k so my take home is around 2k. They've obviously given me the fine right at the top end as I was so close to being banned, the fine itself was around 400, then 100 court fee and another victim surcharge fee! It's more the increase in insurance for me that will be the bummer! I was actually in my previous car (Fiesta ST) when I was caught, 4 days before the Scirocco was delivered and I didn't get the notice through until 2-3 weeks after the new one was delivered. I genuinely wasn't aware the speed limit had dropped due to lack of concentration, I can hardly remember the journey! I had a mate in the car and we were heading to Liverpool from Coventry having spent the best part of 2 hours on the M6 with the cruise control at 50 through the average speed and when I finally got off it I wanted to make some progress and neither of us noticed the drop from 70MPH to 50 as we would have been chatting. Annoying as it would have bene the highest speed I was traveliing the whole journey and it was just as I hit the 50

[agtlaw]

HJMS123 said:

my take home is around 2k. They've obviously given me the fine right at the top end as I was so close to being banned, the fine itself was around 400, then 100 court fee and another victim surcharge fee!

The maximum fine is £2500. £400 is 16% of the maximum. Way off "obviously ... right at the top end." You were told on page 1 of this thread how the fine would be assessed.

Correct decision to deal with this case online / by post. Generally speaking, do not attend court unless you have to.