Is the M1 South Yorkshire now 60mph limit ?
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Hi all,
The new smart motorway in south Yorkshire is finally finished and I drive this section a lot.
I have noticed over my last 6 or so trips that all the gantries are showing 60mph from at least j28 to j35a.
This is usually mid afternoon 2ish light traffic and goes on for 30 miles or so. When you get through them all after 30 miles of most people doing 60 for no reason there is no traffic jams crashes etc.
Now last year highways agency was wanting to put the limit to 50mph for environmental reasons past Sheffield but it didn't go down well.
Have they actually managed to drop it to 60 without anyone noticing, or is it just me.
Just wondered if anyone else had noticed ?.
The new smart motorway in south Yorkshire is finally finished and I drive this section a lot.
I have noticed over my last 6 or so trips that all the gantries are showing 60mph from at least j28 to j35a.
This is usually mid afternoon 2ish light traffic and goes on for 30 miles or so. When you get through them all after 30 miles of most people doing 60 for no reason there is no traffic jams crashes etc.
Now last year highways agency was wanting to put the limit to 50mph for environmental reasons past Sheffield but it didn't go down well.
Have they actually managed to drop it to 60 without anyone noticing, or is it just me.
Just wondered if anyone else had noticed ?.
I drove from Torquay to Ripon on Monday through that section M1. The M5 and M1 both had long stretches which were 50 or 60; the M5 limit was justified in places due to large volume of Bank Holiday traffic but I could wee ne reason why was 60mph.
Conditions were perfect; dry sunny, great visibility and very light traffic.......
Conditions were perfect; dry sunny, great visibility and very light traffic.......
Crackie said:
I drove from Torquay to Ripon on Monday through that section M1. The M5 and M1 both had long stretches which were 50 or 60; the M5 limit was justified in places due to large volume of Bank Holiday traffic but I could wee ne reason why was 60mph.
Conditions were perfect; dry sunny, great visibility and very light traffic.......
Please explain why a reduction in limit was necessary anywhere. If traffic volume genuinely prevents you doing 70 then why is any limit reduction necessary? It never was before, what is different now? As so many used to say, "It's a limit, not a target".Conditions were perfect; dry sunny, great visibility and very light traffic.......
Treat people like idiots for long enough, and idiots is what you'll get. We're well on our way.
turbojay555 said:
Hi all,
The new smart motorway in south Yorkshire is finally finished and I drive this section a lot.
I have noticed over my last 6 or so trips that all the gantries are showing 60mph from at least j28 to j35a.
This is usually mid afternoon 2ish light traffic and goes on for 30 miles or so. When you get through them all after 30 miles of most people doing 60 for no reason there is no traffic jams crashes etc.
Now last year highways agency was wanting to put the limit to 50mph for environmental reasons past Sheffield but it didn't go down well.
Have they actually managed to drop it to 60 without anyone noticing, or is it just me.
Just wondered if anyone else had noticed ?.
Emission reductions, possibly?The new smart motorway in south Yorkshire is finally finished and I drive this section a lot.
I have noticed over my last 6 or so trips that all the gantries are showing 60mph from at least j28 to j35a.
This is usually mid afternoon 2ish light traffic and goes on for 30 miles or so. When you get through them all after 30 miles of most people doing 60 for no reason there is no traffic jams crashes etc.
Now last year highways agency was wanting to put the limit to 50mph for environmental reasons past Sheffield but it didn't go down well.
Have they actually managed to drop it to 60 without anyone noticing, or is it just me.
Just wondered if anyone else had noticed ?.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/22/60mp...
eldar said:
That is likely correct, but still begs the question as to how any cost/benefit analysis ever made any sense to go ahead with this nonsense.I never voted for Brexit, but it would be some bonus if we got shot of garbage like this off the back of it.
Until such time as they have average speed cameras I'll continue to ignore all the artificially reduced limits on arterial routes and just slow for the gantry cameras. When the average speed cameras arrive, which they will, I'll then avoid the road if possible.
I'm so sick of this nonsense.
I'm so sick of this nonsense.
Willy Nilly said:
M25, M1, M6 over Easter. Blood nightmare, speed limits were all over the place. I'd quite happily shoot the people responsible. The traffic was moderate.
I really can't comprehend who it is that sanctions this crap and approves its implementation. Probably the same idiots that think road narrowing on the approach to roundabouts using solid white lines and hatching to prohibit what used to be two lanes is forward thinking.cmaguire said:
Until such time as they have average speed cameras I'll continue to ignore all the artificially reduced limits on arterial routes and just slow for the gantry cameras. When the average speed cameras arrive, which they will, I'll then avoid the road if possible.
I'm so sick of this nonsense.
I'm the same I know where all the cameras are now so just slow for them but you do get 4 lanes of 60 mph cars creeping past each other.I'm so sick of this nonsense.
Other times I'm in the truck so it's not too bad can't even get to 60
eldar said:
That's a interesting article although I think that could be what they are doing, although it says during rush hour, then states it would be 7am till 7pm 7 days a week, that's one hell of a rush hour. cmaguire said:
Crackie said:
I drove from Torquay to Ripon on Monday through that section M1. The M5 and M1 both had long stretches which were 50 or 60; the M5 limit was justified in places due to large volume of Bank Holiday traffic but I could wee ne reason why was 60mph.
Conditions were perfect; dry sunny, great visibility and very light traffic.......
Please explain why a reduction in limit was necessary anywhere. If traffic volume genuinely prevents you doing 70 then why is any limit reduction necessary? It never was before, what is different now? As so many used to say, "It's a limit, not a target".Conditions were perfect; dry sunny, great visibility and very light traffic.......
Treat people like idiots for long enough, and idiots is what you'll get. We're well on our way.
The thread is about the M1 in South Yorkshire; as I said above, I could see no reason whatsoever for the limit to be 60 on the M1 on Monday. I doubt conditions could have been better. If we are to have variable limits, then limit should have been 90-95mph on Monday afternoon not 60mph.
Edited by Crackie on Thursday 20th April 22:45
It's seems to be a permenant 60 at the moment. I commute 35a to 28 and it's consistently been 60 is both directions, morning and evening.
I've seen them switch off at 6pm on the dot, and they all just go out, they don't even show the NSL sign for 5mins
Most times, conditions have been good with no accidents. There has been the odd occasion such as on Monday mornings which are busy and ques in L1 to exit at J28 southbound but the limits are everyday ffs!
I've seen them switch off at 6pm on the dot, and they all just go out, they don't even show the NSL sign for 5mins
Most times, conditions have been good with no accidents. There has been the odd occasion such as on Monday mornings which are busy and ques in L1 to exit at J28 southbound but the limits are everyday ffs!
Crackie said:
The M5 was a car park; most experienced drivers know all about the concertina effect when traffic is very heavy. A constant 50 was safer than bursts of 75 -80 followed by stationary or walking pace for 15 minutes. When I lived in Huntingdon, I begrudgingly had to admit that, at the busiest times of the day, the 70mph average speed cameras did improve flow on the A14 between Huntingdon and Cambridge.
The thread is about the M1 in South Yorkshire; as I said above, I could see no reason whatsoever for the limit to be 60 on the M1 on Monday. I doubt conditions could have been better. If we are to have variable limits, then limit should have been 90-95mph on Monday afternoon not 60mph.
I think we've disagreed on the A14 Cambridge to Huntingdon before. I just avoid that section now, it was way better before the average cameras, now it's just full of people nose-to-tail and half asleep. They've just traded the occasional serious accident for loads of minor ones. The minor ones cause regular tailbacks. And my memory tells me that the majority of the serious accidents prior to the average cameras were usually in close proximity to the Gatso cameras that were at several locations previously.The thread is about the M1 in South Yorkshire; as I said above, I could see no reason whatsoever for the limit to be 60 on the M1 on Monday. I doubt conditions could have been better. If we are to have variable limits, then limit should have been 90-95mph on Monday afternoon not 60mph.
Edited by Crackie on Thursday 20th April 22:45
turbojay555 said:
At least it's not just me that's noticed it then.
Years of endless 50mph zones to make it into 1 long 60 zone.
Speed Kills.Years of endless 50mph zones to make it into 1 long 60 zone.
Or so they would have you believe. I doubt I will ever understand why they are so fixated on this when there are other far more obvious factors impacting to a far greater degree on road safety and efficiency, but they've been fixated on it for the best part of 25 years now so it is so ingrained I doubt that'll ever change.
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