New Bands for Speeding in UK

New Bands for Speeding in UK

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jezzaaa

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1,867 posts

258 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Hi guys....I can't believe there hasn't already been a thread on this subject. I had an admittedly sparse search without luck. So, is this just for cases that get court hearings, with Fixed Penalties still applied in majority of cases? Or will the fixed penalties also be graded according to how fast you were going as well?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/776062/Speeding-d...

Jezzaaa.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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It's outrageous that the fines should be based on a % of weekly income. This will be a meaningful way to punish people who like to speed frown

jezzaaa

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1,867 posts

258 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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zygalski said:
It's outrageous that the fines should be based on a % of weekly income. This will be a meaningful way to punish people who like to speed frown
There's speeding and speeding isn't there; 95mph on a motorway vs 55mph in a 30mph are clearly different levels of risk etc. And once again this is just an arbitrary penalty based on speed. I seem to remember reading something somewhere which gave me some hope, but I can't remember where. It might have been a comment on an article covering this story. It said that this has been ridiculously over reported without the context that it's only relevant where it goes to court. It said these were sentencing guidelines and didn't replace the fixed penalty scheme, which would still be employed.

Previously, up to a certain point (I think it was up to 25mph over the limit) you'd get 3 points and £100 fine fixed penalty. And only after that would you be getting a summons.

My question is, have they given bobbies/camera partnerships different bands of fixed penalties? Or will the £100 3 point fixed penalty remain?

SS2.

14,455 posts

237 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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jezzaaa said:
I can't believe there hasn't already been a thread on this subject.
There's been plenty of threads and comment about this.

Example: agtlaw in January said:
In force: 24th April 2017.

The maximum fine will not be increased. £2500 for a motorway. £1000 for any other road.

The guideline is changing for the highest category of speed. Interestingly, the new guideline is applicable to offenders irrespective of plea or previous convictions.

http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/...

Also note that this is expressly put in the new guideline:

"Where an offender is driving grossly in excess of the speed limit the court should consider a disqualification in excess of 56 days."

That's not a change per se, but interesting that they've decided it should be included.
To confirm, Fixed Penalties are not changing - they'll still be 3 points & £100.

jezzaaa

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1,867 posts

258 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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No you're right ... rubbish searching skills! Thanks for the deserved rebuke! wink

jezzaaa

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1,867 posts

258 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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I guess it won't be too hard for them to change the fixed penalty to be graduated to fit the bands. Let's hope they don't.

matchmaker

8,462 posts

199 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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The sentencing guidelines apply to England & Wales only - not UK wide.

Chris_H

1,064 posts

277 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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I'm interested to know how I'd be fined. I'm retired but not old enough for a pension. I have no income but live off my savings. What will they do if I was caught speeding?

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

166 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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jezzaaa said:
There's speeding and speeding isn't there; 95mph on a motorway vs 55mph in a 30mph are clearly different levels of risk etc
I can think of 30 limits where 55mph would be quite conservative and perfectly safe.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Yes, but how can we avoid getting points & a fine? That's the part I can't get to grips with.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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zygalski said:
Yes, but how can we avoid getting points & a fine? That's the part I can't get to grips with.
I've heard that slowing all the way down to the posted limit around speed cameras can work, but might be a rumour.

Huff

3,140 posts

190 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Chris_H said:
I'm interested to know how I'd be fined. I'm retired but not old enough for a pension. I have no income but live off my savings. What will they do if I was caught speeding?
Is your bookcase also rather larger than your TV?
if so, expect to be burnt at the stake, and your belongings distributed to the poor (people with TVs larger than their bookcase; or even yours.)
Pour encourager les autres, obvs.

ashleyman

6,962 posts

98 months

Saturday 22nd April 2017
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Not fair at all. Surprised when I saw these. I thought there had to be an allowance for speedo correction. But these don't have anything. Do 21 in a 20 and you're done for.

I also think it's hilarious that if you're a government scrounger without a job you get less of a fine compared to a hard working person with a job.

Got to love England.


castex

4,935 posts

272 months

Saturday 22nd April 2017
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Is this the new thing? Bookcase / TV size ratio? I like it.

Huff

3,140 posts

190 months

Saturday 22nd April 2017
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(no, merely based on the sharp observation of a mate last time I moved apartments: 0 TV: >750kg of books.

NB I remain very happy with this sort of vacantcontent/advertising power: Weight ratio )

Edited by Huff on Saturday 22 April 00:40

photosnob

1,339 posts

117 months

Saturday 22nd April 2017
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Chris_H said:
I'm interested to know how I'd be fined. I'm retired but not old enough for a pension. I have no income but live off my savings. What will they do if I was caught speeding?
They base it on a minimum amount. It was £100/week I think - but may have changed but don't really know now.

They also don't check. If you were driving a Ferrari and claimed £100/week they might raise eyebrows. But for most folk you can safely put as little as you want with no real stress. Technically you might be committing an offence - but there are lot's of loopholes so I can't see them ever going after it.

Bristol spark

4,381 posts

182 months

Saturday 22nd April 2017
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Chris_H said:
I'm interested to know how I'd be fined. I'm retired but not old enough for a pension. I have no income but live off my savings. What will they do if I was caught speeding?
Also how to they determine "income"

I only have a £9K salary wink

Do Dividends count as "income"?

trickywoo

11,700 posts

229 months

Saturday 22nd April 2017
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Bristol spark said:
Also how to they determine "income"

I only have a £9K salary wink

Do Dividends count as "income"?
Powerfully built.

Chris_H

1,064 posts

277 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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photosnob said:
Chris_H said:
I'm interested to know how I'd be fined. I'm retired but not old enough for a pension. I have no income but live off my savings. What will they do if I was caught speeding?
They base it on a minimum amount. It was £100/week I think - but may have changed but don't really know now.

They also don't check. If you were driving a Ferrari and claimed £100/week they might raise eyebrows. But for most folk you can safely put as little as you want with no real stress. Technically you might be committing an offence - but there are lot's of loopholes so I can't see them ever going after it.
I assume they'll do spot checks otherwise it would be a nonsense? If you take dividends from your own limited company, that would probably be regarded as income. However, if you just own other shares in other public companies, I don't think it could be.

nxi20

778 posts

204 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Chris_H said:
I assume they'll do spot checks otherwise it would be a nonsense? If you take dividends from your own limited company, that would probably be regarded as income. However, if you just own other shares in other public companies, I don't think it could be.
Really? Remind me to try this with HMRC on my next tax return rolleyes