PCN for Stopping on Restricted Bus Stop for Zero Seconds
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Barnet Council PCN (to the wife) alleging a contravention: 'Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand'.
"The PCN is being served because the Civil Enforcement Officer [XYZ] observed the vehicle identified above from 16:31 to 16:31 and had begun to prepare a PCN but the vehicle was driven away from the place where it was stationary before the CEO had finished preparing it and was unable to serve it by affixing it to the vehicle or giving it to the person appearing to be in charge of it".
¿Que?
"The PCN is being served because the Civil Enforcement Officer [XYZ] observed the vehicle identified above from 16:31 to 16:31 and had begun to prepare a PCN but the vehicle was driven away from the place where it was stationary before the CEO had finished preparing it and was unable to serve it by affixing it to the vehicle or giving it to the person appearing to be in charge of it".
¿Que?
TheGroover said:
Applying Occams razor, your misses stopped somewhere she shouldn't, clocked a warden and drove off before they could issue a ticket.
There might have been an old lady crossing the road... or a pigeon was eating out of a discarded KFC box.... or the car could have stalled... or the 'CEO' didn't actually 'see' anything. Glassman said:
TheGroover said:
Applying Occams razor, your misses stopped somewhere she shouldn't, clocked a warden and drove off before they could issue a ticket.
There might have been an old lady crossing the road... or a pigeon was eating out of a discarded KFC box.... or the car could have stalled... or the 'CEO' didn't actually 'see' anything. Cold said:
Stopping or pausing in a bus lane for 59 seconds is a serious offence. I can see why the council is pursuing this blatant dangerous lack of care for other road users. I doubt if it's anything to do with revenue collection but simply a safety measure.
Although we can only speculate as to how long the car would have been there had the enforcement officer not turned up.herewego said:
Although we can only speculate as to how long the car would have been there had the enforcement officer not turned up.
Are you suggesting the only thing stopping complete Anarchy in the UK (other songs are available) is the presence of enforcement officers? On the subject of speculation, we can only make presumptions about how many busses were harmed, injured or indeed inconvenienced during this 59 second alleged transgression. I'll start the estimate speculation at zero.
Cold said:
Are you suggesting the only thing stopping complete Anarchy in the UK (other songs are available) is the presence of enforcement officers?
On the subject of speculation, we can only make presumptions about how many busses were harmed, injured or indeed inconvenienced during this 59 second alleged transgression. I'll start the estimate speculation at zero.
We could just regard laws as guidelines but I don't think they'd be as effective as they are when enforced.On the subject of speculation, we can only make presumptions about how many busses were harmed, injured or indeed inconvenienced during this 59 second alleged transgression. I'll start the estimate speculation at zero.
Edited by herewego on Saturday 22 April 17:14
herewego said:
We could just regard laws as guidelines but I don't think they'd be as effective as they are when enforced.
Guidance of wise men and obedience of fools? Upholding the letter of some laws can be considered nothing more than box ticking. A penalty for a pause measured in seconds in an empty bus lane may well be on that list of being a penalty for a penalty's sake rather than a more pragmatic approach to officialdom.
Cold said:
herewego said:
We could just regard laws as guidelines but I don't think they'd be as effective as they are when enforced.
Guidance of wise men and obedience of fools? Upholding the letter of some laws can be considered nothing more than box ticking. A penalty for a pause measured in seconds in an empty bus lane may well be on that list of being a penalty for a penalty's sake rather than a more pragmatic approach to officialdom.
The purpose of the law is to discourage stopping in the bus stop (at all & for any length of time) save for the specified exemptions. It can safely be assumed that it's purposely written so you don't get to choose & no inconvenience need be caused for the offence to be complete. You are of course at liberty to disregard it but it's reasonable to expect sanction where detected in breach. You takes your choice but they may result in you paying your money. Your choice.
Took one of my kids into town at midnight for the release of some new game. There's a bus lay-by very near the shop and I'd have waited there but it was full of cars parked by people also visiting the shop. The Police came along and ticketed them all. No buses run at that time of night.
Sheepshanks said:
Took one of my kids into town at midnight for the release of some new game. There's a bus lay-by very near the shop and I'd have waited there but it was full of cars parked by people also visiting the shop. The Police came along and ticketed them all. No buses run at that time of night.
If the law didn't apply at that time of night they could appeal it.vonhosen said:
Sheepshanks said:
Took one of my kids into town at midnight for the release of some new game. There's a bus lay-by very near the shop and I'd have waited there but it was full of cars parked by people also visiting the shop. The Police came along and ticketed them all. No buses run at that time of night.
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