No action against A140 motorist who drove into car head on

[robinessex]

No action against A140 motorist who drove into car head on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-39706...

A motorist who was seen making a U-turn before driving straight at a car carrying two children will face no prosecution action.
The video was captured by Jonathan Steward as he was travelling with his son and daughter on the A140 between Diss and Norwich.
The Crown Prosecution Service said there was "not sufficient evidence" to establish who was driving the other vehicle.

Don't forget, if you speed through a 'safety camera', you have to confess to being the driver, or a £1000 fine if you don't!!!!

[zarjaz1991]

robinessex said:

No action against A140 motorist who drove into car head on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-39706...

A motorist who was seen making a U-turn before driving straight at a car carrying two children will face no prosecution action.
The video was captured by Jonathan Steward as he was travelling with his son and daughter on the A140 between Diss and Norwich.
The Crown Prosecution Service said there was "not sufficient evidence" to establish who was driving the other vehicle.

Don't forget, if you speed through a 'safety camera', you have to confess to being the driver, or a £1000 fine if you don't!!!!

Mind how you go!

[jjohnson23]

No one could be bothered more like.Obviously the driver was another who is above the law.
Bunch of cretins.

[bitchstewie]

Purely from a legal perspective if you drive through a camera my understanding is that "couldn't identify the driver" won't avoid you getting points and a fine.

So how can you drive into someone and nothing come of it?

Or did the car mysteriously get reported stolen around the time of the incident?

[TimmyMallett]

I'm not suggesting this is anything less that reprehensible, but where's the rest of the footage?


A completely random person doesn't drive like that unless there's some event that triggers it...

[TooMany2cvs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-39385...

BBC said:

(The dash-cam owner) said: "The other driver was in the right-hand lane and I presumed he was turning right but instead he went straight as well.

"I accelerated to get out of the way but the lane narrows and I could see in my rear view mirror that the driver swerved towards me to try and clip back of my car.

"Then he overtook me and slammed on the brakes."

Except when you watch the video - which starts at the overtake, conveniently - the Focus overtakes perfectly safely... and the dashcam car gives him full beam. AT THAT POINT, the Focus stops, sticks his hazards on, then sits stationary for two whole minutes. The Focus then buggers off into the distance, and it's thirty seconds later that he comes along, on the wrong side of the road, and nudges the then-stationary camera car at more or less walking pace, reverses, and pulls off - clonking the side as he goes.

Wouldn't you just love to see the footage from that previous roundabout...?

When dashcam warrior met fruitcase - part 74523
Just when you thought it was safe to take umbrage...

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

Except when you watch the video - which starts at the overtake, conveniently - the Focus overtakes perfectly safely... and the dashcam car gives him full beam. AT THAT POINT, the Focus stops, sticks his hazards on, then sits stationary for two whole minutes. The Focus then buggers off into the distance, and it's thirty seconds later that he comes along, on the wrong side of the road, and nudges the then-stationary camera car at more or less walking pace, reverses, and pulls off - clonking the side as he goes.

Wouldn't you just love to see the footage from that previous roundabout...?

When dashcam warrior met fruitcase - part 74523
Just when you thought it was safe to take umbrage...

the problem is even if there was a minor infraction and a flash of the lights, the cps have basically justified the actions of road rage. what happens next time he stabs someone, as he clearly has mental issues, it is a massive case of cps just can't be arsed and defence lawyers win another sack of money to add to their collection.
the law should be about common sense.

[NiceCupOfTea]

FFS!

[TooMany2cvs]

The Spruce goose said:

the cps have basically justified the actions of road rage.

No, they haven't.

They've just said that there's insufficient chance of getting a conviction, because there's no evidence of who was driving.

That probably says as much about whoever the Focus isn't actually registered to as anything else.

[NiceCupOfTea]

TooMany2cvs said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-39385...

BBC said:

(The dash-cam owner) said: "The other driver was in the right-hand lane and I presumed he was turning right but instead he went straight as well.

"I accelerated to get out of the way but the lane narrows and I could see in my rear view mirror that the driver swerved towards me to try and clip back of my car.

"Then he overtook me and slammed on the brakes."

Except when you watch the video - which starts at the overtake, conveniently - the Focus overtakes perfectly safely... and the dashcam car gives him full beam. AT THAT POINT, the Focus stops, sticks his hazards on, then sits stationary for two whole minutes. The Focus then buggers off into the distance, and it's thirty seconds later that he comes along, on the wrong side of the road, and nudges the then-stationary camera car at more or less walking pace, reverses, and pulls off - clonking the side as he goes.

Wouldn't you just love to see the footage from that previous roundabout...?

When dashcam warrior met fruitcase - part 74523
Just when you thought it was safe to take umbrage...

It doesn't really matter does it though? Maybe dashcam bloke gave it large, coffee beans, flicking Vs the works, tried to keep him out when the nutter was doing a dodgy merge. Maybe all he did was a flashy-flashy as the car came past. No excuse for the stoppage though, and what follows are the actions of a deranged lunatic. It can't be decided on the "what happened before?", the camera car driver may be a tool, or maybe just flashed his lights at the wrong guy so we can't judge him. Nutter bloke is clearly a sandwich short of a picnic and shouldn't be on the road.

The issue presumably is that he has failed to identify himself and can't be identified from the footage. The fact that nobody can be prosecuted as a result when it's not a problem for Mr.65-in-a-NSL, however, is heinous.

[TooMany2cvs]

NiceCupOfTea said:

It doesn't really matter does it though? Maybe dashcam bloke gave it large, coffee beans, flicking Vs the works, tried to keep him out when the nutter was doing a dodgy merge. Maybe all he did was a flashy-flashy as the car came. No excuse for the stoppage though, and what follows are the actions of a deranged lunatic.

...Nutter bloke is clearly a sandwich short of a picnic and shouldn't be on the road.

No suggestion otherwise.

Like I said - "fruitcase"

NiceCupOfTea said:

It can't be decided on the "what happened before?", the camera car driver may be a tool, or maybe just flashed his lights at the wrong guy so we can't judge him.

How many dashcam videos have we all seen that have had Mr Professional Outrage building a perceived minor slight into a full situation so that he can feel justified...?

NiceCupOfTea said:

The issue presumably is that he has failed to identify himself and can't be identified from the footage. The fact that nobody can be prosecuted as a result when it's not a problem for Mr.65-in-a-NSL, however, is heinous.

You're assuming that the plate came back as belonging on a dark blue Focus estate with front and side damage - or was conveniently awol - with a registered keeper who was actually traceable...

With no more than a hooky plate and a disposable shed of a Focus, where do they go?

[NiceCupOfTea]

I was just saying it doesn't really matter what happened first.

How about ANPR? I sometimes wonder if ANPR is totally made up, seem to be plenty of people driving around with no licences/insurance. They can't be all travelling on country lanes.

[Jonny_]

NiceCupOfTea said:

I was just saying it doesn't really matter what happened first.

How about ANPR? I sometimes wonder if ANPR is totally made up, seem to be plenty of people driving around with no licences/insurance. They can't be all travelling on country lanes.

I often wonder how much use ANPR really is in identifying uninsured cars, given how easy it is to simply clone a plate from a similar car (and to check MID and DVLA to make sure said plate is listed as insured and taxed).

As for the aforementioned nutter, while you'd like to think the police would make an effort to find him, realistically if all they have is some wobbly dashcam footage and a plate that leads nowhere then sadly there's not much chance of success.

[TooMany2cvs]

NiceCupOfTea said:

I was just saying it doesn't really matter what happened first.

If Dashcam Warrior hadn't got all manufactured-outrage, Fruitcase would probably just have buggered off into the distance without any issue at all.

[Engineer792]

TooMany2cvs said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

I was just saying it doesn't really matter what happened first.

If Dashcam Warrior hadn't got all manufactured-outrage, Fruitcase would probably just have buggered off into the distance without any issue at all.

There's simply no excuse for that sort of behaviour, regardless of how much he was provoked.
And you don't know how much he was provoked - perhaps not much at all.
And even if nothing happened on that occasion, what about the next time someone annoys him?
If he carries on like that, it's just a matter of time before someone gets badly hurt - or worse.

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

No, they haven't.

They've just said that there's insufficient chance of getting a conviction, because there's no evidence of who was driving.

That probably says as much about whoever the Focus isn't actually registered to as anything else.

if there was a murder they would find out who was driving so your point is moot.

DNA, Witnesses, etc but it comes down to cost and basically they have decided they can't be arsed, when in reality any monkey could find out who is driving.
It wasn't a major crime but like i said i have serious concerns for the drivers mental health, remember he waited and then turned around and drove 2 times into the dcw.

[MuscleSaloon]

The articles strongly suggest to me that the Focus owner / driver was identified. They've probably then played the 'prove it' card.

The Police were seeking a prosecution for dangerous driving following the incident. The CPS decided it would not consider the case but the X5 driver appealed and they said they would review the case. Then still decided to take no action.

" My insurance company is still fighting my claim with the offenders' company " also reads as if the Focus driver was identified.

That's not a great section of road. It really would take a special kind of fool to drive towards another vehicle on the wrong side of the carriageway like that.

[NiceCupOfTea]

TooMany2cvs said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

I was just saying it doesn't really matter what happened first.

If Dashcam Warrior hadn't got all manufactured-outrage, Fruitcase would probably just have buggered off into the distance without any issue at all.

Maybe, maybe not. But he didn't, so now we have the above situation. I thought we were discussing the "no action" rather than what would have avoided the situation?

[Blaster72]

TooMany2cvs said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

I was just saying it doesn't really matter what happened first.

If Dashcam Warrior hadn't got all manufactured-outrage, Fruitcase would probably just have buggered off into the distance without any issue at all.

Perhaps Mr Fruitcase had been tailgating dashcam man and he was just venting with a quick flash of the lights, who knows.

The behaviour of Mr Fruitcase is deserving of a good kick in the nads at the very least, what kind of loon stops on a busy road for several minutes before turning round and deliberately driving into another car?

Was it one of our rare protected species of Pie Key ? That's about the only explanation I can see for the apathy from the Police and CPS.

[BobSaunders]

Ideally we would see what happened previously.

Sounds like the Focus has tried to overtake on the roundabout/merge in, the X5 has then booted it to get in front, Focus has then subsequently overtaken, X5 has decided to let his feelings be known with a flash, Focus has taken offence. Focus driver is unhinged - no one should do this even with provocation.

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CPS have not prosecuted, either they have seen the full video, or they can not identify the driver.

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