No action against A140 motorist who drove into car head on

No action against A140 motorist who drove into car head on

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Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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The Spruce goose said:
if there was a murder they would find out who was driving so your point is moot.

DNA, Witnesses, etc but it comes down to cost and basically they have decided they can't be arsed, when in reality any monkey could find out who is driving.
It wasn't a major crime but like i said i have serious concerns for the drivers mental health, remember he waited and then turned around and drove 2 times into the dcw.
We, that's you, me and others, have no idea why the CPS opted to drop the case other than the reasons given. So I don't there's any support for the accusation of not being arsed.

However, the police nowadays have to concern themselves with their limited resources. Indeed, this has gone on for a number of years, even back in the 90s to my knowledge. It would be nice to have, say, 50 DCs on a murder enquiry, but it couldn't happen in those days, so damn well can't now.

You have said that it is down to costs. Why put it as if this is something new or indeed a failure on their behalf. If the police feel there is no chance of a successful prosecution then the case should be abandoned. Of course it should. The police cannot waste resources. I'm not sure they ever could. But it is so much more essential now.

Get used to it as it will get worse. There will be more cuts to many forces this year.


MuscleSaloon

1,541 posts

174 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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The Police were seeking a prosecution. The CPS would not back it according to the news articles. Frustrating for the Police involved I would imagine.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Should be a straightforward insurance claim, though.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
The Spruce goose said:
the cps have basically justified the actions of road rage.
No, they haven't.

They've just said that there's insufficient chance of getting a conviction, because there's no evidence of who was driving.
Glad it's not just me who sees the obvious.

The Spruce goose said:
DNA, Witnesses, etc but it comes down to cost and basically they have decided they can't be arsed, when in reality any monkey could find out who is driving.
Yet they could be arsed to investigate it, do the file for the CPS, have the CPS review it, but for whatever reason when 90% of the work is done think, "Nah, we can't be arsed now".

Great logic.

Which witnesses did you have in mind if you've seen the footage? What quality of evidence / ID do you expect them to give during an obstructed, moving view?

DNA? "Yes, I've been in that car in the past but not on that date in question".

The boring reality is there simply isn't sufficient evidence, as happens every day with investigations.



wack

2,103 posts

205 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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As dashcams become more widespread incidents like this will spread , people feel protected by a camera and 99% of times they are , until they meet a fruitcake with nothing to lose, a guy that's been in an out of prison since youth who doesn't care about the concequences of his actions because he knows whatever he does the worst that can happen is he goes back to prison.

Normal law abiding citizens have no idea how a person like this lives their life , a flash of the lights and the finger could be the difference between life and death and a cameras isn't going to save you

Dashcams will get people killed, I overtook a tractor today , gave it the beans to be in the danger zone as little as possible , car coming the other way was a good distance away when I was back on my side of the road, at least 5 seconds before we passed but he still felt the need to give me the high beams , probably had a dashcam , probably a similar incident, this time he met another law abiding citizen, next time he might not

Edited by wack on Sunday 30th April 00:02

over_the_hill

3,185 posts

245 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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So it seems that as long as you don't get caught at the scene, you can pretty well do what you like on the roads.
After the event all you need to do is say "not me guv, prove it".

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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I expect all the people who get prosecuted for failing to stop / report would disagree with your

GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

156 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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Sounds very familiar, a few years back I'd reported someone reversing back down a motorway in l2 to get 100m back to a junction. Guess what? yup, couldn't prove who was driving so they dropped it.


MuscleSaloon

1,541 posts

174 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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Assume the registered keeper would have received points and a fine for failing to identify the driver at the time ?

MuscleSaloon

1,541 posts

174 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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La Liga said:
I expect all the people who get prosecuted for failing to stop / report would disagree with your
And all the people who don't ?




Lance Catamaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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wack said:
As dashcams become more widespread incidents like this will spread , people feel protected by a camera and 99% of times they are , until they meet a fruitcake with nothing to lose, a guy that's been in an out of prison since youth who doesn't care about the concequences of his actions because he knows whatever he does the worst that can happen is he goes back to prison.

Normal law abiding citizens have no idea how a person like this lives their life , a flash of the lights and the finger could be the difference between life and death and a cameras isn't going to save you

Dashcams will get people killed, I overtook a tractor today , gave it the beans to be in the danger zone as little as possible , car coming the other way was a good distance away when I was back on my side of the road, at least 5 seconds before we passed but he still felt the need to give me the high beams , probably had a dashcam , probably a similar incident, this time he met another law abiding citizen, next time he might not

Edited by wack on Sunday 30th April 00:02
Many years ago I had someone try and drag me out of the car after I flashed him for cutting me up. Only the fact the car had auto locking saved me from a proper kicking. I've always been more careful after that.

Cat

3,014 posts

268 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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MuscleSaloon said:
Assume the registered keeper would have received points and a fine for failing to identify the driver at the time ?
It would depend in the first instance on whether the car had a registered keeper.

Cat

zarjaz1991

3,470 posts

122 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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Lance Catamaran said:
Many years ago I had someone try and drag me out of the car after I flashed him for cutting me up. Only the fact the car had auto locking saved me from a proper kicking. I've always been more careful after that.
Had you received that kicking, you could at least be safe in the knowledge that the police would not be interested in catching th eperpetrator, but would instead find a minor defect on your car when they attended, and prosecute you for that instead.

When I had my back light kicked and smashed by a passing thug, the police who attended told me they had no realistic chance of catching the perpetrator, but they DID give me a 7 day defect form for the smashed light!

TOUGH ON CRIME, TOUGH ON THE VICTIMS OF CRIME.

Lance Catamaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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zarjaz1991 said:
Lance Catamaran said:
Many years ago I had someone try and drag me out of the car after I flashed him for cutting me up. Only the fact the car had auto locking saved me from a proper kicking. I've always been more careful after that.
Had you received that kicking, you could at least be safe in the knowledge that the police would not be interested in catching th eperpetrator, but would instead find a minor defect on your car when they attended, and prosecute you for that instead.

When I had my back light kicked and smashed by a passing thug, the police who attended told me they had no realistic chance of catching the perpetrator, but they DID give me a 7 day defect form for the smashed light!

TOUGH ON CRIME, TOUGH ON THE VICTIMS OF CRIME.
They weren't very interested, although I didn't get the reg and it was long before dash cameras so not really much they could have done. Still remember the car incidentally, a maroon mk.2 Mondeo hatchback. Although there was another occasion my car was broken into and the officer who attended tried to get me for having it as the wrong colour on the V5 (it wasn't, it was a factory finish)

Mill Wheel

6,149 posts

195 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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Cat said:
MuscleSaloon said:
Assume the registered keeper would have received points and a fine for failing to identify the driver at the time ?
It would depend in the first instance on whether the car had a registered keeper.

Cat
If that were the case, then presumably it would not have been insured? I have only been able to insure vehicles registered to me.
Has the vehicle been seized and crushed?

Mill Wheel

6,149 posts

195 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
the Focus overtakes perfectly safely...
Really? In the wet...



If somebody cut in that quickly in wet weather, I would hardly construe it as perfectly safely

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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Mill Wheel said:
TooMany2cvs said:
the Focus overtakes perfectly safely...
Really? In the wet...



If somebody cut in that quickly in wet weather, I would hardly construe it as perfectly safely
A bit tight, yes, but going a good chunk quicker than the camera car.

catso

14,771 posts

266 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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The Spruce goose said:
It wasn't a major crime
Nor is exceeding the speed limit but the effort, resources and forced confessions would be used for that.

Always seems wrong that an offence that could have caused an accident/injury is pursued with far more vigour than one that actually did...

cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Mill Wheel said:
TooMany2cvs said:
the Focus overtakes perfectly safely...
Really? In the wet...



If somebody cut in that quickly in wet weather, I would hardly construe it as perfectly safely
A bit tight, yes, but going a good chunk quicker than the camera car.
Now you are reminding me of that thread where numerous people were excusing the idiotic behaviour of a certain Zafira driver that braked heavily when a certain Honda Civic pulled in behind after an overtake, all unappreciated by a bunch of retards in a car with camera behind said Zafira.

If everybody lightened up a bit and left their egos at home most of these daft situations would never happen in the first place.


Mill Wheel

6,149 posts

195 months

Monday 1st May 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Mill Wheel said:
TooMany2cvs said:
the Focus overtakes perfectly safely...
Really? In the wet...



If somebody cut in that quickly in wet weather, I would hardly construe it as perfectly safely
A bit tight, yes, but going a good chunk quicker than the camera car.
So not PERFECTLY safely, but a bit tight and relying on some superior speed to carry on past the vehicle, despite another car in front, and a junction... in the wet!
I would still hardly construe it as safely!