56mph in a 30mph zone...

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nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Saturday 20th May 2017
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Engineer792 said:
nonsequitur said:
This is PH and sometimes the unexpected occurs. This is PH and long may we be allowed to express opinions, negative and positive on any subject.
And for anyone coming here for negative opinions, you seldom disappoint.
Happy to oblige...Moan, grump, frown, grouse and whine.


Edited by nonsequitur on Sunday 21st May 13:31

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Saturday 20th May 2017
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silver1011 said:
Unfortunately as long there are people who attempt to defend or justify excessive speed then the local authorities will continue to invest in more cameras.
No they won't. No LA ever invested in more cameras because people were talking about speed.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 20th May 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
Zoned out I.e distracted? Tired? Somewhere else?

Double the limit coming from a NSL to a 30 I feel less harsh about getting on for double in any urban situation where there are houses etc I think should result in very harsh punishment. Other people going about their lives shouldn't have to share in reckless driving. Here in Manchester sadly there are alot of bad RTCs caused this way. People have a casual relationship with speed and seem to think they have a natural ability.

I feel (and fear) average speed cameras will come in on most roads mainly on the back of idiots who don't know their own limits.

I've said this countless times on here, we should also have annual eye tests mandatory for all drivers of all ages with glasses updated.
So, I'm and idiot. I can't see or drive well? God love this place, it really brings out the best in people biggrin

Sa Calobra

37,010 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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Everyone exceeds the speed limit. Everyone. However cameras are there because some people have really gone for it and crashes occur. For instance near me is a nortorious large junction (3 lanes in either direction going from Manchester city centre to the motorway and people jump the red lights so there are traffic cams. Are they successful? Well it'll stop many people attempting to jump a red. It still catches people though and fewer people do and crash. Part of the issue is it was a 40 now it's a 30 zone so you can stop in time now.

Some people can't be trusted with speed. I imagine the vast majority of drivers, including PH'ers aren't as talented behind the wheel as their ego tells them. Therefore I'm more than happy that cameras exist. We couldn't afford to have a traffic police officer on one location 365days a year on an urban street catching people. Argue all you like but unless you've seen the aftermath of crashes how can you say almost double the limit doesn't warrant critism? One street up from my son's school twice I've observed a Golf R giving it some beans. I'm aiming to catch his number plate soon and reporting him. As I pick me son up I see the car pass at speed but I only hear the sound and the side of the car nailing it.

I guess I should mind my own business? Or be concerned about someone on a suburban street?

Keep it to trackdays and NSL's.

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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No opinion on the offence, we all do it from time to time and we're all, I hope, prepared to take the lumps and/or deal with the dead children/old people etc etc...I am, however intrigued as to the OP's definition of " a huge amount of time" or is it "quite some time." How long was it, OP, in actual earth minutes?


nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
Everyone exceeds the speed limit. Everyone. However cameras are there because some people have really gone for it and crashes occur. For instance near me is a nortorious large junction (3 lanes in either direction going from Manchester city centre to the motorway and people jump the red lights so there are traffic cams. Are they successful? Well it'll stop many people attempting to jump a red. It still catches people though and fewer people do and crash. Part of the issue is it was a 40 now it's a 30 zone so you can stop in time now.

Some people can't be trusted with speed. I imagine the vast majority of drivers, including PH'ers aren't as talented behind the wheel as their ego tells them. Therefore I'm more than happy that cameras exist. We couldn't afford to have a traffic police officer on one location 365days a year on an urban street catching people. Argue all you like but unless you've seen the aftermath of crashes how can you say almost double the limit doesn't warrant critism? One street up from my son's school twice I've observed a Golf R giving it some beans. I'm aiming to catch his number plate soon and reporting him. As I pick me son up I see the car pass at speed but I only hear the sound and the side of the car nailing it.

I guess I should mind my own business? Or be concerned about someone on a suburban street?

Keep it to trackdays and NSL's.
Don't mind your own business, keep expressing your opinions, even if it means taking a bit of flack. This is the ideal place to do just that.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
Everyone exceeds the speed limit. Everyone. However cameras are there because some people have really gone for it and crashes occur. For instance near me is a nortorious large junction (3 lanes in either direction going from Manchester city centre to the motorway and people jump the red lights so there are traffic cams. Are they successful? Well it'll stop many people attempting to jump a red. It still catches people though and fewer people do and crash. Part of the issue is it was a 40 now it's a 30 zone so you can stop in time now.

Some people can't be trusted with speed. I imagine the vast majority of drivers, including PH'ers aren't as talented behind the wheel as their ego tells them. Therefore I'm more than happy that cameras exist. We couldn't afford to have a traffic police officer on one location 365days a year on an urban street catching people. Argue all you like but unless you've seen the aftermath of crashes how can you say almost double the limit doesn't warrant critism? One street up from my son's school twice I've observed a Golf R giving it some beans. I'm aiming to catch his number plate soon and reporting him. As I pick me son up I see the car pass at speed but I only hear the sound and the side of the car nailing it.

I guess I should mind my own business? Or be concerned about someone on a suburban street?

Keep it to trackdays and NSL's.
In accident blackspots, that makes sense - totally
But most camera vans are hidden in lay bys that are covered by trees providing lots of shade, or hidden under bridges on totally straight and flat motorway on a Sunny day.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

116 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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nonsequitur said:
Happy to oblige...Moan, grump, frown, grouse and whine.


Edited by nonsequitur on Sunday 21st May 13:31
We fought two world wars for an Englishman's right to be grumpy.

Sa Calobra

37,010 posts

210 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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xjay1337 said:
In accident blackspots, that makes sense - totally
But most camera vans are hidden in lay bys that are covered by trees providing lots of shade, or hidden under bridges on totally straight and flat motorway on a Sunny day.
There will be the odd one(s) I agree but you tend to get signs preceding most sites and on motorways you see multiple brake lights ahead. Driving back from Belgium I was moaning about the standard of driving there. I then hit the UK motorway network and changed my view. We drive too fast, too close and not to the conditions.


I don't share a Mr Stanley from St Albans in his BMW 4 series confidence in his driving ability. Replicate that a thousand times. It's a false arrogance

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
xjay1337 said:
In accident blackspots, that makes sense - totally
But most camera vans are hidden in lay bys that are covered by trees providing lots of shade, or hidden under bridges on totally straight and flat motorway on a Sunny day.
There will be the odd one(s) I agree but you tend to get signs preceding most sites and on motorways you see multiple brake lights ahead.
Not sure where you drive but my experience of mobile camera vans and bikes is more akin to xjay's; can't think of many where there are signs warning of their likely presence (not really practical since by definition they're moving around and could be anywhere) and often they locate themselves where they're unlikely to be seen until it's too late.

In some respects you could argue rightly so - after all, if you're trying to catch people speeding why give them the chance to slow down? However, to say you tend to get warnings of their presence just isn't right in my experience; you sometimes get drivers coming the other way flashing their headlights but I can't recall ever seeing an official warning that there might be a mobile camera van in the area!

BertBert

18,953 posts

210 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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However, despite that, our motorways are very safe roads.
Sa Calobra said:
I then hit the UK motorway network and changed my view. We drive too fast, too close and not to the conditions.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
xjay1337 said:
In accident blackspots, that makes sense - totally
But most camera vans are hidden in lay bys that are covered by trees providing lots of shade, or hidden under bridges on totally straight and flat motorway on a Sunny day.
There will be the odd one(s) I agree but you tend to get signs preceding most sites and on motorways you see multiple brake lights ahead. Driving back from Belgium I was moaning about the standard of driving there. I then hit the UK motorway network and changed my view. We drive too fast, too close and not to the conditions.


I don't share a Mr Stanley from St Albans in his BMW 4 series confidence in his driving ability. Replicate that a thousand times. It's a false arrogance
I do appreciate what you are saying. I think a lot of the time people are impatient and the general standard of driving isn't perhaps as good as we would like. But it's not that bad and most people drive safely most of the time.

However, hiding cameras on the M25, which is 8 + lanes wide, or on the M40, again 6 + lanes, or any number of other roads, often straight and generally well surfaced, is not educational. It's revenue raising.

Using "smart" motorways to catch speeds by dropping speed limits for BS reasons, is not going to "teach people" a lesson, and likewise, does nothing to change the public (correct, in my opinion) view that travelling at 80-90 mph on a dry day is perfectly safe.

They need to modify the limits to ones which people respect and more in keeping with European limits.
EG 85/90 mph dry motorway limit
70mph wet

Speed awareness courses are good, and preferable to points, however it you get caught doing 71 in a 60 on a smart motorway that's been arbitrarily set to 60... what good is that?

Sa Calobra

37,010 posts

210 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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xjay1337 said:
I do appreciate what you are saying. I think a lot of the time people are impatient and the general standard of driving isn't perhaps as good as we would like. But it's not that bad and most people drive safely most of the time.

However, hiding cameras on the M25, which is 8 + lanes wide, or on the M40, again 6 + lanes, or any number of other roads, often straight and generally well surfaced, is not educational. It's revenue raising.

Using "smart" motorways to catch speeds by dropping speed limits for BS reasons, is not going to "teach people" a lesson, and likewise, does nothing to change the public (correct, in my opinion) view that travelling at 80-90 mph on a dry day is perfectly safe.

They need to modify the limits to ones which people respect and more in keeping with European limits.
EG 85/90 mph dry motorway limit
70mph wet

Speed awareness courses are good, and preferable to points, however it you get caught doing 71 in a 60 on a smart motorway that's been arbitrarily set to 60... what good is that?
In heavy rain do drivers slow down? My experience is alot seem to drive close in heavy spray at over 70. It just takes one to lose control. Im starting to come round to the view that people don't drive to the conditions and/also will only slow down if it all goes wrong or if there is a fixed deterent. People who receive multiple points shouldn't be on the road.



Orillion

177 posts

164 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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JNW1 said:
... However, to say you tend to get warnings of their presence just isn't right in my experience; you sometimes get drivers coming the other way flashing their headlights but I can't recall ever seeing an official warning that there might be a mobile camera van in the area!
Don't know where you live, but these signs are common in the Northumbria police area. Here are some examples.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.8952255,-1.42821...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.0567399,-1.62661...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.9013103,-1.56034...


JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Orillion said:
JNW1 said:
... However, to say you tend to get warnings of their presence just isn't right in my experience; you sometimes get drivers coming the other way flashing their headlights but I can't recall ever seeing an official warning that there might be a mobile camera van in the area!
Don't know where you live, but these signs are common in the Northumbria police area. Here are some examples.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.8952255,-1.42821...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.0567399,-1.62661...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.9013103,-1.56034...
I'm in North Yorkshire. There are certainly some signs of the type you mention but the ones I'm aware of were erected well before mobile camera vans came into use and were basically trying to get people to slow down on the basis there were approaching fixed cameras. However, to the best of my knowledge the county has never used those and therefore the signs were just ignored once people came to realise there was no threat of prosecution.

I guess mobile cameras could now be sited in those areas from time to time but, by their very nature, that type of camera can be moved anywhere and therefore signs become a bit pointless (unless you have them everywhere!). When you drive stretches of road regularly you come to realise where they're most likely to sit but nowadays you've got to be prepared for them to be almost anywhere (and often that's not in accident blackspots or areas where safety is an issue). Net result is that, while I still exceed the speed limit out of town, I'm now more careful about where I choose to do so....

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
xjay1337 said:
I do appreciate what you are saying. I think a lot of the time people are impatient and the general standard of driving isn't perhaps as good as we would like. But it's not that bad and most people drive safely most of the time.

However, hiding cameras on the M25, which is 8 + lanes wide, or on the M40, again 6 + lanes, or any number of other roads, often straight and generally well surfaced, is not educational. It's revenue raising.

Using "smart" motorways to catch speeds by dropping speed limits for BS reasons, is not going to "teach people" a lesson, and likewise, does nothing to change the public (correct, in my opinion) view that travelling at 80-90 mph on a dry day is perfectly safe.

They need to modify the limits to ones which people respect and more in keeping with European limits.
EG 85/90 mph dry motorway limit
70mph wet

Speed awareness courses are good, and preferable to points, however it you get caught doing 71 in a 60 on a smart motorway that's been arbitrarily set to 60... what good is that?
In heavy rain do drivers slow down? My experience is alot seem to drive close in heavy spray at over 70. It just takes one to lose control. Im starting to come round to the view that people don't drive to the conditions and/also will only slow down if it all goes wrong or if there is a fixed deterent. People who receive multiple points shouldn't be on the road.
They don't drive to THE conditions, but to their interpretation of them.

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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nonsequitur said:
They don't drive to THE conditions, but to their interpretation of them.
Do you mean they should drive to someone else's interpretation of THE conditions?


Sa Calobra

37,010 posts

210 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Where I drive that would be <70 not 80-90 which is theirs.

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
Where I drive that would be <70 not 80-90 which is theirs.
Yes, you interpret the conditions the same as everybody else, but you are more cautious. Or they have less regard for their own safety. Same thing.

Sa Calobra

37,010 posts

210 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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If you are struggling to see rear lights in the spray then you need to back off.