56mph in a 30mph zone...

[nonsequitur]

popeyewhite said:

nonsequitur said:

They don't drive to THE conditions, but to their interpretation of them.

Do you mean they should drive to someone else's interpretation of THE conditions?

Conditions are conditional on condition that the conditions are what they appear to be. On condition that you are interpreting the conditions correctly.

[popeyewhite]

nonsequitur said:

popeyewhite said:

nonsequitur said:

They don't drive to THE conditions, but to their interpretation of them.

Do you mean they should drive to someone else's interpretation of THE conditions?

Conditions are conditional on condition that the conditions are what they appear to be. On condition that you are interpreting the conditions correctly.

...depending on what condition my condition is in, surely?

[nonsequitur]

popeyewhite said:

nonsequitur said:

popeyewhite said:

nonsequitur said:

They don't drive to THE conditions, but to their interpretation of them.

Do you mean they should drive to someone else's interpretation of THE conditions?

Conditions are conditional on condition that the conditions are what they appear to be. On condition that you are interpreting the conditions correctly.

...depending on what condition my condition is in, surely?

popey, you've cracked it. Prize is in the post.

[TooMany2cvs]

nonsequitur said:

Prize is in the post.

• Conditions may apply.

[silver1011]

yonex said:

It's amazing that you think it is black and white. Obviously beyond reproach yourself and you no doubt wouldn't press on yourself? I mean that would be a little hypocritical?

Black and white as in speeding or not speeding? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Yes, I've exceeded the speed limit but never in a 30mph where the risk of car on human contact is the greatest, it simply isn't worth it, despite a drivers own perception of the risk and their own opinions of their driving ability.

[silver1011]

popeyewhite said:

No they won't. No LA ever invested in more cameras because people were talking about speed.

They do where I live.

My local authority openly admits to funding additional mobile camera's in direct response to locals complaining about excess speed. The LA wants to be seen to appease local opinion regardless of safety statistics.

[JNW1]

silver1011 said:

Yes, I've exceeded the speed limit but never in a 30mph

Really? Never gone over 30mph in a 30 limit ever - not even unintentionally by 1mph?

[NDA]

SteveS Cup said:

..... on the way home from Goodwood at the weekend, as soon as I saw a clear stretch I just floored it.

Unfortunately Goodwood events are a magnet for speed cameras. Easy pickings from drivers who are correctly insured, taxed and MOT'd - rather than those hooning around council estates in stolen hatchbacks - far too bothersome.

[silver1011]

JNW1 said:

Really? Never gone over 30mph in a 30 limit ever - not even unintentionally by 1mph?

Behave. Life's too short.

I don't permanently watch the speedometer, nor can I verify it's accuracy so there is every chance I've exceeded the limit by 1 or 2mph.

[Crackie]

silver1011 said:

Unfortunately as long there are people who attempt to defend or justify excessive speed then the local authorities will continue to invest in more cameras.

Whilst the UK has some of the world's safest roads, our motorway limit is also one of the lowest in the world. There are only a few countries with better safety stats but two of these 'safer' countries enjoy higher limits than the UK. I do not try to defend or justify excessive speed but I also believe that the motorway limit is too low and should be in line with other developed western countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_coun...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...

[silver1011]

Agreed, I will exceed the limit in NSL's and on the motorway where the risk of human contact is reduced.

It is residential areas, in particular 30mph limits where peoples justification for speeding just doesn't add up.

[TooMany2cvs]

silver1011 said:

Agreed, I will exceed the limit in NSL's and on the motorway where the risk of human contact is reduced.

It is residential areas, in particular 30mph limits where peoples justification for speeding just doesn't add up.

How about non-residential 30s, and residential NSLs?

[JNW1]

silver1011 said:

JNW1 said:

Really? Never gone over 30mph in a 30 limit ever - not even unintentionally by 1mph?

Behave. Life's too short.

I don't permanently watch the speedometer, nor can I verify it's accuracy so there is every chance I've exceeded the limit by 1 or 2mph.

Then never was the wrong word to use! I suspect what you meant was that you always try to respect the 30mph limit (which is fair enough, I try to do the same) but that's rather different from saying you've never exceeded it!

[Sa Calobra]

Crackie said:

Whilst the UK has some of the world's safest roads, our motorway limit is also one of the lowest in the world. There are only a few countries with better safety stats but two of these 'safer' countries enjoy higher limits than the UK. I do not try to defend or justify excessive speed but I also believe that the motorway limit is too low and should be in line with other developed western countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_coun...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...

Ok so you don't see erratic lane changes, last minute crossing of lanes/hatching to exit motorway, forcing way off the sliproad onto the motorway, tailgating to intimidate, brake testing, concerteenering of traffic due to impatience in rush hour, sitting in the middle Lane, sitting in the 3rd lane, playing on your phone sending a text, etc.

I don't think our motorway limit is too low, I feel driving standards could be alot higher first.

[Engineer792]

Sa Calobra said:

Crackie said:

Whilst the UK has some of the world's safest roads, our motorway limit is also one of the lowest in the world. There are only a few countries with better safety stats but two of these 'safer' countries enjoy higher limits than the UK. I do not try to defend or justify excessive speed but I also believe that the motorway limit is too low and should be in line with other developed western countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_coun...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...

Ok so you don't see erratic lane changes, last minute crossing of lanes/hatching to exit motorway, forcing way off the sliproad onto the motorway, tailgating to intimidate, brake testing, concerteenering of traffic due to impatience in rush hour, sitting in the middle Lane, sitting in the 3rd lane, playing on your phone sending a text, etc.

I don't think our motorway limit is too low, I feel driving standards could be alot higher first.

But despite that, we kill less than half the number of people (per billion vehicle Km)

[JNW1]

Sa Calobra said:

Ok so you don't see erratic lane changes, last minute crossing of lanes/hatching to exit motorway, forcing way off the sliproad onto the motorway, tailgating to intimidate, brake testing, concerteenering of traffic due to impatience in rush hour, sitting in the middle Lane, sitting in the 3rd lane, playing on your phone sending a text, etc.

But the way our attitude to motoring and enforcing the law has moved in recent years the sort of bad driving you rightly identify is far less likely to be detected and punished. The policy of lots more cameras to catch speeders whilst reducing the number of traffic officers on the road has done us no favours IMO...

[popeyewhite]

silver1011 said:

They do where I live.

No they don't.

silver1011 said:

My local authority openly admits to funding additional mobile camera's in direct response to locals complaining about excess speed. The LA wants to be seen to appease local opinion regardless of safety statistics.

They collate public opinion over time. That is not what you posted.

[Crackie]

Sa Calobra said:

Crackie said:

Whilst the UK has some of the world's safest roads, our motorway limit is also one of the lowest in the world. There are only a few countries with better safety stats but two of these 'safer' countries enjoy higher limits than the UK. I do not try to defend or justify excessive speed but I also believe that the motorway limit is too low and should be in line with other developed western countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_coun...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...

Ok so you don't see erratic lane changes, last minute crossing of lanes/hatching to exit motorway, forcing way off the sliproad onto the motorway, tailgating to intimidate, brake testing, concerteenering of traffic due to impatience in rush hour, sitting in the middle Lane, sitting in the 3rd lane, playing on your phone sending a text, etc.

I don't think our motorway limit is too low, I feel driving standards could be alot higher first.

I see all of the bad driving examples you listed and could add many more; I agree that poor driving standards should be improved and have posted to that effect in other threads. imho the examples you list are the direct ( and indirect ) cause of many accidents. The evidence from accident investigation statistics show that excess speed is not the area that should be targeted; assuming of course that the goal is to reduce the number of people being killed or seriously injured rather than generate revenue.

Edited by Crackie on Tuesday 23 May 08:17

[BertBert]

silver1011 said:

I don't permanently watch the speedometer, nor can I verify it's accuracy so there is every chance I've exceeded the limit by 1 or 2mph.

Really? You do need to decide. Either it's not worth the risk and you never exceed the 30 limit or you do.

silver1011 said:

Agreed, I will exceed the limit in NSL's and on the motorway where the risk of human contact is reduced.

You do realise that the most dangerous roads are the 'NSLs'?

[nonsequitur]

TooMany2cvs said:

nonsequitur said:

Prize is in the post.

• Conditions may apply.