Ticket errors or should i just cough up?
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Righty ho,
I was lucky enough to get a random stop on the snakes pass over the weekend on the bike.
Got given the good old safety speach about unroadworthy bikes more likely to have an accident, nothing else was checked at all except exhaust and plate, wasnt interested in checking tyres, chain, sprocket, swingarm, free play in anything, a load of toff really but whatever.
Anyway he said my plate was ilegal
He checked the spacing, it was correct
Letters was the right size
Its a 3d plate with abit of shading on the letters so said its ilegal aswell as no postcode on the bottom and a set of numbers or something along those lines, i have checked the website and 3d seems to be legal but cant find any info about the writing on the bottom of the plate.
I have gone over the ticket and theres a couple of errors on it
Aparently i have a suzuki r6 with the registration the exact same as my postcode.
Ticket
Offending plate
Is the plate legal? It was on the bike when i bought it 18 months ago and never thought anything of it.
Should i contest the ticket or just pay it and forget about it?
He did at one point record the plate on his bodycam.
I was lucky enough to get a random stop on the snakes pass over the weekend on the bike.
Got given the good old safety speach about unroadworthy bikes more likely to have an accident, nothing else was checked at all except exhaust and plate, wasnt interested in checking tyres, chain, sprocket, swingarm, free play in anything, a load of toff really but whatever.
Anyway he said my plate was ilegal
He checked the spacing, it was correct
Letters was the right size
Its a 3d plate with abit of shading on the letters so said its ilegal aswell as no postcode on the bottom and a set of numbers or something along those lines, i have checked the website and 3d seems to be legal but cant find any info about the writing on the bottom of the plate.
I have gone over the ticket and theres a couple of errors on it
Aparently i have a suzuki r6 with the registration the exact same as my postcode.
Ticket
Offending plate
Is the plate legal? It was on the bike when i bought it 18 months ago and never thought anything of it.
Should i contest the ticket or just pay it and forget about it?
He did at one point record the plate on his bodycam.
Plates need the manufacturers postcode and a BS mark on them , it's so criminals can't clone cars because making a number plate is as complicated as a £5 note so only Halfords can do it
It's impossible to get a plate without the V5C and a blood sample so yours must have been a foreigner not authorised by the number plate technician at Halfords
You're lucky you got away with a ticket, forgery is a major crime
It's impossible to get a plate without the V5C and a blood sample so yours must have been a foreigner not authorised by the number plate technician at Halfords
You're lucky you got away with a ticket, forgery is a major crime
Palms said:
vonhosen said:
Plate doesn't conform with regs (no BS mark or suppliers mark).
I do recall having read this somewhere but cannot find this info on the dvla website? wack said:
Plates need the manufacturers postcode and a BS mark on them , it's so criminals can't clone cars because making a number plate is as complicated as a £5 note so only Halfords can do it
It's impossible to get a plate without the V5C and a blood sample so yours must have been a foreigner not authorised by the number plate technician at Halfords
You're lucky you got away with a ticket, forgery is a major crime
It's impossible to get a plate without the V5C and a blood sample so yours must have been a foreigner not authorised by the number plate technician at Halfords
You're lucky you got away with a ticket, forgery is a major crime
Still all a bit trivial though. On 4 wheels I'll always (excluding the Evo front) have a legal size/font plate but they look s
te on a bike and probably knock 30mph off the top speed. I still use standard font and don't have daft messages on the plates or position them in such a way that only a helicopter or a cat sleeping on the hugger could read them.
Bottom line, can it be read easily by anyone with acceptable eyesight? If yes, then ok.
I understand technically it is illegal, and were I to cop a 'technical' fine for it when stopped for something that matters then so be it, but when it and noisy exhausts seem to be the focus for any stops then these idiots really need to focus on something that actually matters. Particularly as the stuff that matters doesn't take much spotting if inclined to do so (not like shooting fish in a barrel though).
te on a bike and probably knock 30mph off the top speed. I still use standard font and don't have daft messages on the plates or position them in such a way that only a helicopter or a cat sleeping on the hugger could read them.Bottom line, can it be read easily by anyone with acceptable eyesight? If yes, then ok.
I understand technically it is illegal, and were I to cop a 'technical' fine for it when stopped for something that matters then so be it, but when it and noisy exhausts seem to be the focus for any stops then these idiots really need to focus on something that actually matters. Particularly as the stuff that matters doesn't take much spotting if inclined to do so (not like shooting fish in a barrel though).
vonhosen said:
Plate doesn't conform with regs (no BS mark or suppliers mark).
The regs for owners/drivers only pertain to the font, spacing and size of the lettering. The regs for manufacturers (being registered, including post code and BS mark) only apply to the plate maker,not the driver.
These regs were introduced in England and Wales in Jan 2003 and in Scotland and Ireland in November 2008. The number on your bike (2004)could quite legitimately have been made quite legally in Scotland . If that plate was made in England after 2003 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. If it was made in Scotland after 2008 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. As the bike could have quite legitimately had that plate fitted in the UK before 2008, then the driver isn't committing any offence by displaying it as the regs aren't retrospective.
brrapp said:
The regs for owners/drivers only pertain to the font, spacing and size of the lettering.
The regs for manufacturers (being registered, including post code and BS mark) only apply to the plate maker,not the driver.
These regs were introduced in England and Wales in Jan 2003 and in Scotland and Ireland in November 2008. The number on your bike (2004)could quite legitimately have been made quite legally in Scotland . If that plate was made in England after 2003 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. If it was made in Scotland after 2008 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. As the bike could have quite legitimately had that plate fitted in the UK before 2008, then the driver isn't committing any offence by displaying it as the regs aren't retrospective.
Hmm interestingThe regs for manufacturers (being registered, including post code and BS mark) only apply to the plate maker,not the driver.
These regs were introduced in England and Wales in Jan 2003 and in Scotland and Ireland in November 2008. The number on your bike (2004)could quite legitimately have been made quite legally in Scotland . If that plate was made in England after 2003 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. If it was made in Scotland after 2008 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. As the bike could have quite legitimately had that plate fitted in the UK before 2008, then the driver isn't committing any offence by displaying it as the regs aren't retrospective.
Palms said:
brrapp said:
The regs for owners/drivers only pertain to the font, spacing and size of the lettering.
The regs for manufacturers (being registered, including post code and BS mark) only apply to the plate maker,not the driver.
These regs were introduced in England and Wales in Jan 2003 and in Scotland and Ireland in November 2008. The number on your bike (2004)could quite legitimately have been made quite legally in Scotland . If that plate was made in England after 2003 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. If it was made in Scotland after 2008 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. As the bike could have quite legitimately had that plate fitted in the UK before 2008, then the driver isn't committing any offence by displaying it as the regs aren't retrospective.
Hmm interestingThe regs for manufacturers (being registered, including post code and BS mark) only apply to the plate maker,not the driver.
These regs were introduced in England and Wales in Jan 2003 and in Scotland and Ireland in November 2008. The number on your bike (2004)could quite legitimately have been made quite legally in Scotland . If that plate was made in England after 2003 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. If it was made in Scotland after 2008 then the plate manufacturer was committing an offence. As the bike could have quite legitimately had that plate fitted in the UK before 2008, then the driver isn't committing any offence by displaying it as the regs aren't retrospective.
See:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/561/conten...
agtlaw said:
Sorry, I've looked at your link and can see nothing that shows my post is wrong. I've read many of your posts and appreciate all the helpful advice you give on these forums and have no doubt that if you make a statement on a legal matter which is contrary to my understanding then I'm almost certain to be wrong, but would appreciate some clarification from you.
My understanding is that the legislation (which you have linked to) and which pertains to all vehicles registered after 2001 refers to the positioning ,lettering etc of number plates, but is a separate issue from the legislation on registration of number plate manufacturers which requires that all new number plates have postcode, BS number etc. That legislation didn't apply in Scotland till November 2008 so the OP's plate could be quite legal if made in Scotland between the bike's first registration in 2004 and when that legislation was introduced in 2008.
I'm obviously not a lawyer and am aware of your reputation as an expert in this field so have no doubt that I'm wrong, but would be grateful if you could point out how .
brrapp said:
agtlaw said:
Sorry, I've looked at your link and can see nothing that shows my post is wrong. /The Vehicles (Crime) Act 2001 was amended in 2008 with a requirement that registration plate suppliers in Scotland and NI were registered, as they had been in England and Wales for some time. This may be the amendment Brrapp is referring to.
The fact suppliers in Scotland weren't required to be registered before the amendment came into force didn't mean they were permitted to supply number plates which didn't conform with the requirements of The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. This included the statutory requirements to supply plates showing BS and suppliers postcode markings.
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 also confirms that the person responsible for complying with the Regulations is the person driving the vehicle or, where it is not being driven, the person keeping it - see Section 19.
That's my understanding, anyway.
The fact suppliers in Scotland weren't required to be registered before the amendment came into force didn't mean they were permitted to supply number plates which didn't conform with the requirements of The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. This included the statutory requirements to supply plates showing BS and suppliers postcode markings.
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 also confirms that the person responsible for complying with the Regulations is the person driving the vehicle or, where it is not being driven, the person keeping it - see Section 19.
That's my understanding, anyway.
SS2. said:
The Vehicles (Crime) Act 2001 was amended in 2008 with a requirement that registration plate suppliers in Scotland and NI were registered, as they had been in England and Wales for some time. This may be the amendment Brrapp is referring to.
The fact suppliers in Scotland weren't required to be registered before the amendment came into force didn't mean they were permitted to supply number plates which didn't conform with the requirements of The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. This included the statutory requirements to supply plates showing BS and suppliers postcode markings.
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 also confirms that the person responsible for complying with the Regulations is the person driving the vehicle or, where it is not being driven, the person keeping it - see Section 19.
That's my understanding, anyway.
Fair enough, yes that's the legislation I was thinking of but obviously I've interpreted it wrongly. Sorry if I've confused the issue and wrongly got the OP's hopes up.The fact suppliers in Scotland weren't required to be registered before the amendment came into force didn't mean they were permitted to supply number plates which didn't conform with the requirements of The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. This included the statutory requirements to supply plates showing BS and suppliers postcode markings.
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 also confirms that the person responsible for complying with the Regulations is the person driving the vehicle or, where it is not being driven, the person keeping it - see Section 19.
That's my understanding, anyway.
Just a quick one....
If the ticket doesn't actually have your VRM on it how will they process it?
Not sure if it's he same but got a council parking ticket a few years back, one letter in the VRM was wrong so threw it away and didn't pay knowing they'd not be chasing me...never heard anything more.
If the ticket doesn't actually have your VRM on it how will they process it?
Not sure if it's he same but got a council parking ticket a few years back, one letter in the VRM was wrong so threw it away and didn't pay knowing they'd not be chasing me...never heard anything more.
The officer did turn on his body cam whilst checking the plate, he was happy with the size and spacing but because it didnt have the numbers at the bottom and the fact he said the shading on the plate was ilegal he was almost too excited to be giving me that ticket.
Either way it is ilegal and i cant be bothered to fight it.
I just cant believe that you dont get a chance to right your wrong these days.
in the name of safety my arse
Either way it is ilegal and i cant be bothered to fight it.
I just cant believe that you dont get a chance to right your wrong these days.
in the name of safety my arse
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