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Riding this on the road or pavements
Better add some details
80cc engine capacity purchased as a bolt on to any push bike
Please take the following as also being relevant
No helmet
Not registered as motorised vehicle and No motorcyle licence
Bloody kids these days
The wiring loom (for the kill switch) was melting on the exhaust
The exhaust was being hit by a pedal arm on every rotation
The throttle cable badly routed so left lock added throttle
The clutch cable was running by the cylinder barrel
The chain was trying to hop off the sprocket
The engine wasn't even located properly in the frame (bracket at the back was over the top of the derailier mechanism)
The front brake has been removed to make space for the clutch
The back brake is frankly useless
Last question - having pointed out the issued and fixed them was any further advice regarding the legality of riding said contraption/lash up on the road or pavements listened too or did they ignore me?
Better add some details
80cc engine capacity purchased as a bolt on to any push bike
Please take the following as also being relevant
No helmet
Not registered as motorised vehicle and No motorcyle licence
Bloody kids these days
The wiring loom (for the kill switch) was melting on the exhaust
The exhaust was being hit by a pedal arm on every rotation
The throttle cable badly routed so left lock added throttle
The clutch cable was running by the cylinder barrel
The chain was trying to hop off the sprocket
The engine wasn't even located properly in the frame (bracket at the back was over the top of the derailier mechanism)
The front brake has been removed to make space for the clutch
The back brake is frankly useless
Last question - having pointed out the issued and fixed them was any further advice regarding the legality of riding said contraption/lash up on the road or pavements listened too or did they ignore me?
Edited by B'stard Child on Monday 15th May 21:12
ts and giggles) besides the brake really is useless!!!!As far as I understand it, the second it was fitted with an 80cc petrol engine it became a motorbike and subject to all the relevant laws once it was taken onto the road.
I have absolutely no idea why people think these sorts of things are any different to simply buying a normal motorbike and riding it on a public road without a licence, insurance, MOT, TAX, which of course they wouldn't dream of doing.
I have absolutely no idea why people think these sorts of things are any different to simply buying a normal motorbike and riding it on a public road without a licence, insurance, MOT, TAX, which of course they wouldn't dream of doing.
NinjaPower said:
As far as I understand it, the second it was fitted with an 80cc petrol engine it became a motorbike and subject to all the relevant laws once it was taken onto the road.
I agree - the reasons for the "offences" list is it's been a bloody long while since I was in a blue suit and things have probably changed a bit......What I did say to the person concerned was that you can kiss goodbye to your car licence if you get caught riding that thing on the road and they looked at me like I was stupid.......
NinjaPower said:
I have absolutely no idea why people think these sorts of things are any different to simply buying a normal motorbike and riding it on a public road without a licence, insurance, MOT, TAX, which of course they wouldn't dream of doing.
Exactly but it's a push bike with an engine it's not like it's gonna break the speed limit!!!grumpy52 said:
Guy Martin would set world records with that after a bit of fettlin!
I think a fair bit of fettling may be needed...... It's a crappy Chinese two stroke that sounds like a wet fart and knowing that it requires a 2-stoke premix I'll put my money on it needing a new barrel and piston fairly quickly..... My money is also on some skin loss at the same time.....citizensm1th said:
hmmm a little bit of porting, raise the cr a tad, expansion chamber and a 24-26mm carb and you might just be able to catch that chicken
In my youth (many many years ago in a galaxy far away) I put a 32mm carb on an 80cc motorcycle that had 18mm as std, ported the barrel to within an inch of it's life and took 2mm of the cyl head in an attempt to compensate for the lost compression that raising the exhaust port 4mm and get the squish to 40 thou.................The results were fun although the gear ratios weren't as well suited to the new state of tune
However it had disc brake front and drum at the rear and would quite happily lift the rear off the ground under braking - even then for me the ability to stop quickly exceeded desire to go quickly!
357RS said:
How does that abortion differ from a pedal cycle assisted by an electric motor and battery system?
Simple.Electric bicycles have a specific set of C&U regs for them. If the motor's under a certain power, it can be ridden perfectly legally without plates/helmet/insurance/MOT.
Internal combustion powered bicycles have a specific set of C&U regs, too... It's an 80cc motorbike, legally. Not a <50cc moped, even. Legally, it's exactly the same as any 125cc. Well, legally - THAT is exactly the same as any unregistered and unregisterable mini-moped...
Ridiculous? Perhaps. I've got a VeloSolex - and that's exactly the same situation. Legally, it's a 50cc moped. Helmet, plates, insurance, test.
357RS said:
How does that abortion differ from a pedal cycle assisted by an electric motor and battery system?
Noisy 80cc "wasp" powered and as such falls under a requirement to be licenced plus the pedal cycle wasn't designed to be motor powered
On the plus side for a shonky kit it cost £100 - bargain maybe
357RS said:
How does that abortion differ from a pedal cycle assisted by an electric motor and battery system?
Electrically assisted pedal cycles have their own specific legislation.A bike with an internal combustion engine bolted to it becomes a mechanically propelled vehicle. If it was found to be constructed or adapted for use on a road, it would be considered a 'motor vehicle' and, as such, would need to comply with more generic road traffic legislation.
357RS said:
How does that abortion differ from a pedal cycle assisted by an electric motor and battery system?
Engine power.If the electric bike has more than 250W and does more than whatever the metric for 15mph is then it's a moped too.
AUI anything with less than 1KW can be built to less stringent requirements than a proper moped but it'd still need lights, horn, numberplate, brakes that work and lots of pieces of paper. At 80cc it's unlikely to be under that limit.
zombeh said:
357RS said:
How does that abortion differ from a pedal cycle assisted by an electric motor and battery system?
Engine power.If the electric bike has more than 250W and does more than whatever the metric for 15mph is then it's a moped too.
AUI anything with less than 1KW can be built to less stringent requirements than a proper moped but it'd still need lights, horn, numberplate, brakes that work and lots of pieces of paper. At 80cc it's unlikely to be under that limit.
I was sure they had to be registered too - google seems to agree with me
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