Vehicle I Sold Clocked - How does this happen?

Vehicle I Sold Clocked - How does this happen?

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fooby

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326 posts

100 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Three years ago, I sold a 2010 Citroen Nemo with 210,000 miles on the clock. Out of interest, tonight I checked the MOT history to see if it's still on the road. It is, but the MOT's show 18 June 2016: 213,679 miles, 1 Feb 2017: 103,475 miles. To me it seems obvious that it's been clocked, but how does this not show up automatically?

poo at Paul's

14,147 posts

175 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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fooby said:
Three years ago, I sold a 2010 Citroen Nemo with 210,000 miles on the clock. Out of interest, tonight I checked the MOT history to see if it's still on the road. It is, but the MOT's show 18 June 2016: 213,679 miles, 1 Feb 2017: 103,475 miles. To me it seems obvious that it's been clocked, but how does this not show up automatically?
To me it seems like it may have had a speedo or clock pod change and it does seem to show up automatically, when you check the MOT history. Not like they are hiding it from what you've written.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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fooby said:
Three years ago, I sold a 2010 Citroen Nemo with 210,000 miles on the clock. Out of interest, tonight I checked the MOT history to see if it's still on the road. It is, but the MOT's show 18 June 2016: 213,679 miles, 1 Feb 2017: 103,475 miles. To me it seems obvious that it's been clocked, but how does this not show up automatically?
As far as the MOT's concerned, it does. The tester has to confirm that an out-of-expectation mileage reading is correct.

It's not illegal to change the mileage on a car, y'know.

Cider Andy

1,889 posts

225 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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fooby said:
Three years ago, I sold a 2010 Citroen Nemo with 210,000 miles on the clock. Out of interest, tonight I checked the MOT history to see if it's still on the road. It is, but the MOT's show 18 June 2016: 213,679 miles, 1 Feb 2017: 103,475 miles. To me it seems obvious that it's been clocked, but how does this not show up automatically?
I was doing something similar a couple of weeks ago, to see if some of my old motors were still out there. The lad across the road has bought himself a very nice old 4.4 X5 which looks every bit as good as the 115k mile car it appears to be. Except the mileage has changed over the last few years. Twice. Looks like it's actually done over 200k miles. I haven't the heart to ask him if he checked it out before he bought it.

Glasgowrob

3,244 posts

121 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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more common than a lot of people want to believe,

theres no surprise given the number of companies popping up offering "mileage correction"
at lot of this stems from low mileage lease deals, 6k p.a cover 25k in 2 years wind it back to 11k for 50 quid, the dealers don't care as long as it doesn't stand it it goes either to auction or through as approved used.

ofcorsa

3,527 posts

243 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Looks far too blatant, Maybe a miskey?

rxe

6,700 posts

103 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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I've chopped 40K miles off my diesel Alfa by changing the speedo. The old speedo worked fine, I was just updating the interior to the higher spec.

I could do this by going to the dealer and getting it reset (several hundred £ for the speedo and whatever they charge for the reset). Or I could write the old figure and the current figure of the new speedo in the service book and remember that the car has done more miles than it looks. The MOT mileage will clearly show this at the next text.

I can see if you were doing mega mileage in a diesel, you could switch speedos and do say 40K in a year and then on one would be any wiser.

TwistingMyMelon

6,385 posts

205 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Could be a mistake

Could be a new dash and owner is running till it dies

Probably/could be clocked, easy to do, more so if you do it every year, ideally before first MOT or every service

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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fooby said:
Three years ago, I sold a 2010 Citroen Nemo with 210,000 miles on the clock. Out of interest, tonight I checked the MOT history to see if it's still on the road. It is, but the MOT's show 18 June 2016: 213,679 miles, 1 Feb 2017: 103,475 miles. To me it seems obvious that it's been clocked, but how does this not show up automatically?
As TooMany2CVs said, clocking a car is not illegal. Never has been.

Also, you are only checking the MoT history... what sort of resolution would you be expecting??? confused

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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I've noticed the same with one of my old cars; sold it with 258,000 on the clock (put there by me) and according to the MOT history it's now done just over 90,000.

The guy I sold it to as a Cat D subsequently sold it on to someone in Bradford. Make of that what you will.

Morningside

24,110 posts

229 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Used to find it quite amusing to see the adverts of some cars on a Saturday that had obviously come from the car auction on Thursday advertised with slightly less mileage, careful owner for years and selling for a friend. V5 in post.

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

96 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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My old audi which I sold to a bunch of scammers had 419 500 miles on last mot six months before I sold it.

Next MOT it had magically changed to 152 000 miles. Quite the correction.

I would bet huge sums of money the only reason the mileage changed was as part of a sale scam. Some poor unsuspecting person bought my car which had 440 000 miles on it thinking it had only done 150k.

One of the reasons I am so glad you can now check MOT history online.

CoolHands

18,630 posts

195 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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the whole second-hand trade is rotten as a pear

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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frankenstein12 said:
One of the reasons I am so glad you can now check MOT history online.
And, even if you don't, the mileages at the last five or so MOTs are on the certificate.

exelero

1,890 posts

89 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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You can actually do it with a simple OBD reader and a laptop, no point really smile

POORCARDEALER

8,524 posts

241 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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Saw a vehicle recently where last three MOTs were roughly 160K, 370k, 162K......was a Citroen and middle mileage had been MOT'd in Kilometers as by pressing a button you can change from miles to kms and back.

KevinCamaroSS

11,629 posts

280 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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POORCARDEALER said:
Saw a vehicle recently where last three MOTs were roughly 160K, 370k, 162K......was a Citroen and middle mileage had been MOT'd in Kilometers as by pressing a button you can change from miles to kms and back.
Middle mileage is still an eye opener, would be 230K miles.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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KevinCamaroSS said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Saw a vehicle recently where last three MOTs were roughly 160K, 370k, 162K......was a Citroen and middle mileage had been MOT'd in Kilometers as by pressing a button you can change from miles to kms and back.
Middle mileage is still an eye opener, would be 230K miles.
But 270k km...

daemon

35,816 posts

197 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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CoolHands said:
the whole second-hand trade is rotten as a pear
And this is evidence of that because....?

boyse7en

6,720 posts

165 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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exelero said:
You can actually do it with a simple OBD reader and a laptop, no point really smile
Love to see you do that with my old Alfa...