Trailer wheel fell off - who's to blame?

Trailer wheel fell off - who's to blame?

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paintman

7,683 posts

190 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2017
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Perhaps the OP would care to update the thread.
Preferably with the photos he says were taken so we can see the detail & get a better idea as to what has happened.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 24th May 2017
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rxe said:
Yes, I meant get the hub over the nut. The only vehicles I have with taper bearings are an Alfetta GTV and a couple of land-rovers, none of these could fit the hub over an installed nut and washer.

That was my first thought. But looking at various bearing and assembly diagrams, with some TR bearings at least, it seems the inner race will fit through the outer without the rollers. If the thrust washer and nut are about the size of the inner race then perhaps it could happen?

Unlikely, I agree and maybe points to some other flaw in the fitment?

BullyB

2,344 posts

247 months

Wednesday 24th May 2017
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I very often rent a trailer for going to track days. I always assume it is my responsibility as soon as it is hitched on to the car.
It would be interesting however to know if the hire company have liability for failures.

Hol

8,408 posts

200 months

Wednesday 24th May 2017
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OP. out of interest what type of twin axel trailer was it?

Hopefully, it was some form of Ifor Williams or Brian James-type chassis, with a set weight limit and a design parameter that includes a tolerance for overloading. In such a situation, there would be an option to pursue the 'sub-standard component route'.


However, if it was a converted caravan chassis, then its originally intended carrying limit will be a lot less than the average saloon car and your friend would need to tread very carefully.

BOF

991 posts

223 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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I did 45 years in the bearing trade - tapered roller and ball and cylindrical roller bearings...bearings do not commit suicide - they are generaly found to have been murdered.

Incorrect fitting is most often the cause..the chances of faulty rings or components is very very remote...the Chinese quality referred to above is now as good as European products and in fact all of the European and American bearing companies have factories in China or Romania.

Best place I found if a dispute arose was Leeds University - Dept of Tribology...no idea of the cost these days .

BOF

rallycross

12,787 posts

237 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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BullyB said:
I very often rent a trailer for going to track days. I always assume it is my responsibility as soon as it is hitched on to the car.
It would be interesting however to know if the hire company have liability for failures.
Me too, when I hire a trailer if anything goes wrong its down to me, nothing to do with the people who own the trailer.
Why do people always think its someone else's fault?



OddCat

2,523 posts

171 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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There doesn't seem to be too much sympathy on here for the poor sod whose car took a hit from the wayward wheel. If that had been me, I'd be expecting the driver of the car pulling the trailer to make good regardless of the whys and wherefores of the wheel becoming detached.....

Gavia

7,627 posts

91 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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OddCat said:
There doesn't seem to be too much sympathy on here for the poor sod whose car took a hit from the wayward wheel. If that had been me, I'd be expecting the driver of the car pulling the trailer to make good regardless of the whys and wherefores of the wheel becoming detached.....
You can expect it all you like, but if there's no legal compulsion on them to make good, then why should they? Would you pay someone for something that you have no need to?

OddCat

2,523 posts

171 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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Gavia said:
You can expect it all you like, but if there's no legal compulsion on them to make good, then why should they?
And there we have it. In one sentence - all that is wrong with the world......

Gavia

7,627 posts

91 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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OddCat said:
Gavia said:
You can expect it all you like, but if there's no legal compulsion on them to make good, then why should they?
And there we have it. In one sentence - all that is wrong with the world......
Slight over exaggeration there.

Why do younsee it as wrong not to pay for something that you shouldn't be paying for? 90% of the threads in this forum are people asking how to get out of paying for x, y or z.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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OddCat said:
Gavia said:
You can expect it all you like, but if there's no legal compulsion on them to make good, then why should they?
And there we have it. In one sentence - all that is wrong with the world......
I have a trailer. Should anything I am carrying or any part of the trailer detach and cause any subsequent damage to property or third party vehicle then I would have every expectation that the third party should be compensated for the damage. Irrespective of any counter-claim I might have against a supplier of parts on my trailer, this is not relevant to the third party in my opinion.

Gavia

7,627 posts

91 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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cmaguire said:
I have a trailer. Should anything I am carrying or any part of the trailer detach and cause any subsequent damage to property or third party vehicle then I would have every expectation that the third party should be compensated for the damage. Irrespective of any counter-claim I might have against a supplier of parts on my trailer, this is not relevant to the third party in my opinion.
Who would you expect to compensate them?

How would you expect to win a case where you've already accepted liability by compensating the other person?

OddCat

2,523 posts

171 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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Gavia said:
OddCat said:
Gavia said:
You can expect it all you like, but if there's no legal compulsion on them to make good, then why should they?
And there we have it. In one sentence - all that is wrong with the world......
Slight over exaggeration there.

Why do younsee it as wrong not to pay for something that you shouldn't be paying for? 90% of the threads in this forum are people asking how to get out of paying for x, y or z.
Okay. Imagine you are the driver of the car pulling the trailer - and the car coming the other way (that gets damaged) is being driven by the mother of your best friend. What are you going to do then ?

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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Gavia said:
Who would you expect to compensate them?

How would you expect to win a case where you've already accepted liability by compensating the other person?
I'm insured. In the case presented by the OP I would be gobsmacked if my insurance company even entertained the idea of denying liability because I claimed a bearing was faulty. This isn't CSI.

frisbee

4,978 posts

110 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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Gavia said:
Who would you expect to compensate them?

How would you expect to win a case where you've already accepted liability by compensating the other person?
It would be a hell of a coincidence if the bearing manufacturer just happened to be driving in the car that was hit by the wheel!

It's his trailer, he's responsible for the damage to the other car, the cause of the failure is an entirely separate issue.

Gavia

7,627 posts

91 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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OddCat said:
Okay. Imagine you are the driver of the car pulling the trailer - and the car coming the other way (that gets damaged) is being driven by the mother of your best friend. What are you going to do then ?
Nothing. See below

cmaguire said:
I'm insured. In the case presented by the OP I would be gobsmacked if my insurance company even entertained the idea of denying liability because I claimed a bearing was faulty. This isn't CSI.
Your insurance will only pay out if you were negligent. If you've done nothing wrong then they won't pay out. If you were negligent then they'll pay out, but it's up to them to make that decision, not you.

Roofus

12 posts

83 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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Man tows trailer, trailer causes damage to 3rd party. Mans insurance is in place for this eventuality ?

The End.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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Gavia said:
Your insurance will only pay out if you were negligent. If you've done nothing wrong then they won't pay out. If you were negligent then they'll pay out, but it's up to them to make that decision, not you.
How about a £20 bet?
On the basis everybody is insured, then the insurance of the guy with the trailer WILL pay out on this.

Gavia

7,627 posts

91 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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cmaguire said:
How about a £20 bet?
On the basis everybody is insured, then the insurance of the guy with the trailer WILL pay out on this.
I've no idea whether his insurance will pay out, as I don't know if he was negligent or not. What I will bet on is that he won't have any comeback on the manufacture / supplie rof the bearings.

Everybody isn't insured, he could quite easily not be insured as he might not have covered himself for towing.

OddCat

2,523 posts

171 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Gavia said:
OddCat said:
Okay. Imagine you are the driver of the car pulling the trailer - and the car coming the other way (that gets damaged) is being driven by the mother of your best friend. What are you going to do then ?
Nothing.
With friends like you, who needs enemies !