NIP for no seatbelt!

[berlintaxi]

Stuart70 said:

Nigel Worc's said:

I've always found that is entirely how employment works.

It depends on how much your employer needs you I suppose, I had all sorts of new policies thought up by some pen pusher of other trying to justify their existence over the years, if it didn't make sense, was pointless, or made my life harder it just wasn't happening.

You're my hero.

Only if they knew, chances are he was so insignificant nobody even knew he was ignoring them.

[berlintaxi]

Stuart70 said:

Nigel Worc's said:

I've always found that is entirely how employment works.

It depends on how much your employer needs you I suppose, I had all sorts of new policies thought up by some pen pusher of other trying to justify their existence over the years, if it didn't make sense, was pointless, or made my life harder it just wasn't happening.

You're my hero.

Only if they knew, chances are he was so insignificant nobody even knew he was ignoring them.

Edited by berlintaxi on Saturday 27th May 18:07

[Nigel Worc's]

Stuart70 said:

You're my hero.

We're talking about an employee not wearing a seatbelt here.

I'm siding slightly with the OP, I too wouldn't give a stuff, if they break the law and get caught then its their tough st, I can't imagine I'd be worried about disciplinary action unless what they'd been caught for now meant they couldn't do what I employ them to do.

[Old Merc]

I`m amazed that there are prats who DONT use their belts. Seat belts have got to be the best safety part of any car.They have saved countless lives and injuries.Cars now have so many safety features and driver aids the owners can feel bullet proof."I`ve got air bags etc to save me"....... idiots.

I like many PH`s work on classic cars. I loved restoring mine and displaying it at shows,BUT, was very nervous driving it on long journeys.It was a 1964 cabriolet so did not come with seat belts. Solid metal dash,various protruding metal brackets,big bony steering wheel with a huge metal horn ring.I just felt "naked" driving it,not safe at all. Eventually my wife did not want to travel in it. If I had a big accident in that car we would not have had a chance.

[Trabi601]

Nigel Worc's said:

We're talking about an employee not wearing a seatbelt here.

I'm siding slightly with the OP, I too wouldn't give a stuff, if they break the law and get caught then its their tough st, I can't imagine I'd be worried about disciplinary action unless what they'd been caught for now meant they couldn't do what I employ them to do.

You don't understand how this stuff works, do you?

If the OP doesn't discipline or formally re-train people driving company vehicles and one of them gets injured due to them not wearing a seatbelt, the employer would be investigated by the HSE, most likely picking up a fine. They would also be open to a negligence claim from the employee or their family.

[Nigel Worc's]

Trabi601 said:

Nigel Worc's said:

We're talking about an employee not wearing a seatbelt here.

I'm siding slightly with the OP, I too wouldn't give a stuff, if they break the law and get caught then its their tough st, I can't imagine I'd be worried about disciplinary action unless what they'd been caught for now meant they couldn't do what I employ them to do.

You don't understand how this stuff works, do you?

If the OP doesn't discipline or formally re-train people driving company vehicles and one of them gets injured due to them not wearing a seatbelt, the employer would be investigated by the HSE, most likely picking up a fine. They would also be open to a negligence claim from the employee or their family.

Luckily we employ less than five people, so I don't need to worry about nannying bks regarding adults that should know better.

[Trabi601]

Nigel Worc's said:

Luckily we employ less than five people, so I don't need to worry about nannying bks regarding adults that should know better.

Oh, does the HSE or a bereaved family cease to take action if you're a small company?

"Oh, don't worry about seatbelts, we only employ a few people'.

Any other legal responsibilities you believe don't apply because you only employ a few people?

[Trabi601]

Further reading - OP, you really should take positive action on this, rather than whinging about the van.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg382.pdf

[KevinCamaroSS]

Nigel Worc's said:

Luckily we employ less than five people, so I don't need to worry about nannying bks regarding adults that should know better.

It does not matter if you employ 1 person or 1 thousand, HSE regulations apply to your company. You come across as a careless employer, I am glad I do not work for you, or the OP!

[cmaguire]

KevinCamaroSS said:

It does not matter if you employ 1 person or 1 thousand, HSE regulations apply to your company. You come across as a careless employer, I am glad I do not work for you, or the OP!

He probably wouldn't employ you anyway, as rather than open your window a bit when you're in his van and he lights up, you'd probably quote the law to him and put in a formal complaint if he carried on.

[Pagey]

Trabi601 said:

Do you think a multinational corporate cares about losing someone with a bad attitude towards complying with rules (and laws)?

Employers have a duty of care towards their employees - hence with mine, anyone driving on company business has to comply with certain rules and have a defensive driving course every 2 years with an online refresher every year. Perhaps that's why we rarely have accidents in company vehicles.

Edited by Trabi601 on Saturday 27th May 16:53

I have a very low accident record on my company fleet policy.

My staff and contractors have done defensive driving courses, E&E courses,

I have zero tolerance on alcohol and drugs

Phones must be hands free - as well as the standard vehicle Bluetooth most vehicles are fitted with additional Novero kit so that another 2 Handsets can be connected to it
Radio handsets must be earpiece and throat mike

But I'm not going to have a hissy fit because one of them wasn't wearing a seatbelt - they are big enough and ugly enough to face the music if caught not wearing one which I doubt happens regularly

[defblade]

The only person I know who regularly doesn't use their seat belt is actually properly mentally ill (type 2 bi-polar, fairly stabilised now following ECT as somewhat hypermanic).
And even he knows he should.

[Alucidnation]

Basically all the op has to do is give them a leaflet?

It doesn't really state any spepcifics although I only skimmed through it.

I would doubt very much that we will ever see an employer in court for one of their employees not wearing a seat belt.

[BlueHave]

Alucidnation said:

Pagey said:

..... so he reported them for no seatbelt Unfrigging-believable



Is it about road safety or about the money.........

Uh huh.

Amazed he was reported? What does he think the law doesn't apply to him in his work van.

Remember this advert

[JM]

Pagey said:

I'm not going to have a hissy fit because one of them wasn't wearing a seatbelt - they are big enough and ugly enough to face the music if caught not wearing one

Yet you came on here and made a thread about it.

[Trabi601]

Pagey said:

But I'm not going to have a hissy fit because one of them wasn't wearing a seatbelt - they are big enough and ugly enough to face the music if caught not wearing one which I doubt happens regularly

Did you not read the HSE leaflet I linked to?

Specifically this bit:

"Make sure there is top-level commitment to work-related road safety in your organisation. "

It doesn't sound much like you're doing that with your non-action on this.

"I thought it was OK, because xxx got a ticket for it and my employer didn't do anything"

[rscott]

Perhaps vehicle insurers should consider whether seat belts were used when determining any injury/death related payouts.

Surprisingly, at least one equine insurer already does something similar.

The policy states that if a rider chooses not to wear a helmet and at least 2 pieces of hiviz while riding on the road and is involved in an accident, then any compensation will be reduced, even if the accident was not the riders fault.

[Cat]

rscott said:

Perhaps vehicle insurers should consider whether seat belts were used when determining any injury/death related payouts.

They already do - google contributory negligence.

Cat

[4rephill]

JM said:

Pagey said:

I'm not going to have a hissy fit because one of them wasn't wearing a seatbelt - they are big enough and ugly enough to face the music if caught not wearing one

Yet you came on here and made a thread about it.

To be accurate, he's not having a hissy fit because they weren't wearing a seatbelt - He's having a hissy fit because they got caught not wearing a seatbelt.

Apparently, as an employer he doesn't give a st about his employee's welfare and safety, that's their problem, not his!

Of course, should they end up in a serious accident and either be severely injured or dead due to head-butting the windscreen, then he might give a bit of a st as he will have to find a replacement for them!

[Pagey]

JM said:

Pagey said:

I'm not going to have a hissy fit because one of them wasn't wearing a seatbelt - they are big enough and ugly enough to face the music if caught not wearing one

Yet you came on here and made a thread about it.

Yep. Because I've never heard of the Speed Camera Van dishing out Seatbelt Tickets