HADECS Cameras for Red X Enforcement?
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Anyone aware if the HADECS cameras as installed on the M25 enforce Red X (closed lane) warnings?
M25 today had Lane 1 closed for a couple of miles with Red Xs on the gantries as well as information boards clearly stating 'Red X means closed lane, do not use'. This was owing to a stranded truck (I think tyre delamination).
Despite this, there were quite a few who choose to ignore this and barrel down Lane 1 until the inevitable panic brake and push in at the sight of a HATO with flashing lights and cones.
I'm aware there has been a campaign of late (certainly on the radio) to alert drivers to the meaning of the Red X. I don't doubt the ignorance of the general public, there have even been threads on here where PHers have claimed they were unaware. Today's event however was not ignorance, this was 'f
k you' I'm too busy/important/much of a to follow the rules.
Given these cameras are reportedly 'safety' cameras, I would have no issue if they were calibrated/set up to catch these clowns and actually provide a safety service.
Smart Motorways only work (and are safe) if everyone plays by the rules. These drivers are piss takers and well deserving of £100 fine & 3pts.
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]Anyone aware if the HADECS cameras as installed on the M25 enforce Red X (closed lane) warnings?
M25 today had Lane 1 closed for a couple of miles with Red Xs on the gantries as well as information boards clearly stating 'Red X means closed lane, do not use'. This was owing to a stranded truck (I think tyre delamination).
Despite this, there were quite a few who choose to ignore this and barrel down Lane 1 until the inevitable panic brake and push in at the sight of a HATO with flashing lights and cones.
I'm aware there has been a campaign of late (certainly on the radio) to alert drivers to the meaning of the Red X. I don't doubt the ignorance of the general public, there have even been threads on here where PHers have claimed they were unaware. Today's event however was not ignorance, this was 'f
k you' I'm too busy/important/much of a to follow the rules.Given these cameras are reportedly 'safety' cameras, I would have no issue if they were calibrated/set up to catch these clowns and actually provide a safety service.
Smart Motorways only work (and are safe) if everyone plays by the rules. These drivers are piss takers and well deserving of £100 fine & 3pts.
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]g3org3y said:
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Smart Motorways only work (and are safe) if everyone plays by the rules. These drivers are piss takers and well deserving of £100 fine & 3pts.
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Deserve more than that if you ask me. A few months ago some t1t in a Vectra almost slammed into the back of an Accord which had broken down in lane 3, HATO hadn't got there yet but the RedX's were on display a good mile before the broken down car.]Smart Motorways only work (and are safe) if everyone plays by the rules. These drivers are piss takers and well deserving of £100 fine & 3pts.
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]Some people are just selfish dicks.
Until recently I was regularly using the M1 southbound down as far as Watford.
You wouldn't believe the amount of arrogant, impatient tts that just steamed on regardless of red "X's" and flashing matrix signs.
I witnessed several near misses as those above suddenly found themselves bearing down on stranded vehicles/roadworkers/plod/HATO's etc.
Utter cretinouss everyone of them!
You wouldn't believe the amount of arrogant, impatient t
ts that just steamed on regardless of red "X's" and flashing matrix signs.I witnessed several near misses as those above suddenly found themselves bearing down on stranded vehicles/roadworkers/plod/HATO's etc.
Utter cretinous
s everyone of them!Countdown said:
Deserve more than that if you ask me. A few months ago some t1t in a Vectra almost slammed into the back of an Accord which had broken down in lane 3, HATO hadn't got there yet but the RedX's were on display a good mile before the broken down car.
Some people are just selfish dicks.
Indeed, that's ultimately the major safety concern.Some people are just selfish dicks.
Perhaps reasonable to suggest a careless driving charge or a dangerous driving charge?
Both perhaps can be argued.
I can't find it now but I did read the law regarding how ANPR can be used was changed recently to allow identification for prosecution when ignoring a red X on smart motorways so hopefully they're in the process of adding or modifying the cameras to allow this
I've seen many people ignoring the red X but they're also the people that ignore red lights, (3-4 seconds on red is OK for them to go through) cut in at speed from a filter lane to avoid a queue, speed in built up areas on a daily basis slowing down for the cameras as they know the locations and drive 3ft from a car observing the speed limit in order to attempt to force them into speeding.
They still have driving licences because they know the chances of them being caught are almost zero.
I've seen many people ignoring the red X but they're also the people that ignore red lights, (3-4 seconds on red is OK for them to go through) cut in at speed from a filter lane to avoid a queue, speed in built up areas on a daily basis slowing down for the cameras as they know the locations and drive 3ft from a car observing the speed limit in order to attempt to force them into speeding.
They still have driving licences because they know the chances of them being caught are almost zero.
Swole said:
HADECS3 has the ability to do much more than Red X. Bottom line is, don't speed through HADECS3 sites and don't drive down Red X lanes if you want a clean license. Those who do will soon learn.
You could ask me how I know, but I can't say.
Without telling us how you know, will you tell us what else HADECS3 can do?You could ask me how I know, but I can't say.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Most of the M25 HADECS cameras have been turned of now, so they aren't enforcing anything anymore.
Not certain HADECS3 is capable of monitoring lane closures, but probably not.
Not sure if taking the piss, but if not, tNot certain HADECS3 is capable of monitoring lane closures, but probably not.
t post.George, agree regards selfish tossers. Went down the M3 on Monday, and the new fandango cameras fitted there look like they could read your e mails off your phone at 80 mph !
Eddieslofart said:
Not sure if taking the piss, but if not, tt post.
George, agree regards selfish tossers. Went down the M3 on Monday, and the new fandango cameras fitted there look like they could read your e mails off your phone at 80 mph !
Do you think they look like they could read your emails at 100+ too?t post.George, agree regards selfish tossers. Went down the M3 on Monday, and the new fandango cameras fitted there look like they could read your e mails off your phone at 80 mph !
Now that would be a real worry.
I think, from what I have experienced, the problem with 'smart' motorways is that they aren't very smart. Speed restrictions in place despite traffic flow being (relatively) light, free moving and without incidents for many miles or red Xs in place 2-3 miles ahead of any actual incident.
Human nature (and plenty of research conducted) dictates that a warning is only useful if a visible threat/valid purpose for it is observed to accompany the warning.
Not saying I agree with people who continue to steam on down red X marked lanes - but I'm pretty sue we've all experienced the frustration of incorrectly labelled lanes/roadworks.
Human nature (and plenty of research conducted) dictates that a warning is only useful if a visible threat/valid purpose for it is observed to accompany the warning.
Not saying I agree with people who continue to steam on down red X marked lanes - but I'm pretty sue we've all experienced the frustration of incorrectly labelled lanes/roadworks.
wack said:
I can't find it now but I did read the law regarding how ANPR can be used was changed recently to allow identification for prosecution when ignoring a red X on smart motorways so hopefully they're in the process of adding or modifying the cameras to allow this.
No modifications required. Surely you just set the speed limit for the red X lane to 0 mph and prosecute above that. Exactly te same process as enforcing any other variable limit.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff